Donald Trump, the Most Unmanly President

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Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
I don't really have an issue with police using force to quell an out-of-control, violent crowd, like one that broke through a barricade. Was there any evidence of that type of thing in this case, a day later? I don't see how it's appropriate for the police to be the aggressor in using force before any illegal act is committed by the crowd, regardless of what happened the day before.
crowd dispersal is not "force"...prevention is/was the goal... and it worked...expect to see much more of it...

what kind of police do you want? police that show up to protect and save your life? or police that show up to collect your body?
Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser and District officials on Monday imposed a 7 p.m curfew after protests turned violent over the weekend, with monuments vandalized and historic buildings set ablaze.

Bowser, speaking at a press conference Monday alongside D.C. public safety and health officials, condemned the “destruction” of the capital city.

SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WOUNDED OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, CAR BOMBS FEARED AMID DC RIOTS

“I want to be very clear about something as the nation’s capital. We are frequent hosts to First Amendment demonstrations, and we applaud the American spirit of protest and especially protest to their federal government,” she said. “However, we do not, and we will not, allow the destruction of our hometown, by people who are coming here to protest or by D.C. residents.”

Bowser said she and local officials “certainly empathize with the righteous cause that people are here protesting.”

“Every single American should be outraged by the murder of George Floyd, however, smashed windows and looting are becoming a bigger story than the broken systems that got us here,” she said.

Bowser imposed a 7 p.m. curfew for Monday and Tuesday, noting that essential personnel and members of the media are exempt.

“We want your voices to be heard, but we also want to protect the safety of everyone in our city,” Bowser said. “Tonight’s curfew will begin at 7 p.m. and it will run for two days.”

Metropolitan Police Department Chief Peter Newsham offered a stark warning to those who do not abide by the curfew.

“If you are not a member of the media or have an essential function, local police and federal police will take you into custody,” Newsham said. “That is a warning. And I am hopeful that warning will be shared by everyone who is listening.”


Newsham went on to detail the unrest in the city Sunday night—noting that there was “destruction of property and unnecessary injury to people in our city,” including “rioting, damage and looting.”

RECTOR OF CHURCH NEAR WHITE HOUSE SET ABLAZE AMID RIOTS

The decision comes after Bowser imposed an 11 p.m. curfew Sunday night, which she acknowledged was too late.

“We’re going to give [law enforcement] the maximum amount of time and tools that they need,” Bowser said Monday.

Riots escalated in Washington, D.C., and across the country Sunday night in response to Minneapolis man George Floyd’s death in police custody last week.

Journalists injured, arrested while reporting on protests nationwideVideo
U.S. Marshals and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents were deployed into the streets of D.C. to help beef up security alongside local police, Secret Service and Homeland Security agents at the direction of the Justice Department.

Additionally, the entire Washington, D.C. National Guard was being called in to help with the response to protests outside the White House and elsewhere in the nation’s capital, according to two Defense Department officials.

As authorities clashed with demonstrators for the third straight night, the parish house connected to the historic St. John’s Episcopal Church across the street from the White House was set on fire late Sunday. The basement, which was also torched, is used for child care during church services and had recently undergone renovations.

The church says every president beginning with James Madison, “until the present,” has attended a service at the church, giving it the nickname, “the church of presidents.”

Bowser, on Monday, said she walked through St. John’s on Monday, and was “quite angry at the vandalism and arson there.” Bowser acknowledged that the fire was “intentionally set” and said “that type of destruction is intolerable.”

The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) building was also set ablaze near the White House. The AFL-CIO is the nation's largest pro-union group.
what kind of police do you want? police that show up to protect and save your life? or police that show up to collect your body?
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this was nothing put a photo op to stroke this f*** ego so he could look like a tough guy. The guy is essentially a Jersey mob boss
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BoozeTan wrote:this was nothing put a photo op to stroke this f*** ego so he could look like a tough guy. The guy is essentially a Jersey mob boss
yeah who cares about that historic church that was set on fire? who cares about the vandalism? who cares about the injuries to police and secret service?

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holy crap? XJ's mommy turned him in...
The Antifa kid who police say incited riot in Pittsburgh has been arrested and watching him turn himself in with mommy and daddy is the absolute greatest thing on the internet today.
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Maybe Trump should connect with GWB on how to be presidential?

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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Maybe Trump should connect with GWB on how to be presidential?

https://www.bushcenter.org/about-the-ce ... -bush.html
maybe you should stop being a stooge...
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Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
Do you support the use of force on peaceful / lawful protesters outside the White House Monday night?

Here's a footage from an Australian journalist crew in the event you didn't see what happened.



Other angle of the same journalist crew

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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
Do you support the use of force on peaceful / lawful protesters outside the White House Monday night?

Here's a footage from an Australian journalist crew in the event you didn't see what happened.
You have one outlier and you want to make a case? Not even worth watching your supplied videos.

And of course I don't support it. Who does? Why such an obvious question?
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Mister Moose wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
Do you support the use of force on peaceful / lawful protesters outside the White House Monday night?

Here's a footage from an Australian journalist crew in the event you didn't see what happened.
You have one outlier and you want to make a case? Not even worth watching your supplied videos.

And of course I don't support it. Who does? Why such an obvious question?
I asked the question because your rationale around why our National Guard used force against peaceful protesters alluded / implied it was reasonable and /or you supported it. Thank you for clarifying.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
Do you support the use of force on peaceful / lawful protesters outside the White House Monday night?

Here's a footage from an Australian journalist crew in the event you didn't see what happened.



Other angle of the same journalist crew

they aren't peaceful protesters...stop w the fantasy portrayal of reality...

and honestly I have zero sympathy for any "protesters" of any kind...play stupid games win stupid prizes....clear the area means CLEAR the area...

note that these people are INSIDE the perimeter hiding behind the pillar....in case you missed that part...

you were apoplectic over the peaceful protests in michigan...where there was zero property damage and no one killed...your biased input is of little value to anyone...

we get it, you hate the bad orange man...wash, rinse, repeat...
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:Might be because only the day before, protesters broke through a barricade in front of the White House and the Secret Service decided force was necessary for that size aggressive crowd.
Do you support the use of force on peaceful / lawful protesters outside the White House Monday night?

Here's a footage from an Australian journalist crew in the event you didn't see what happened.
You have one outlier and you want to make a case? Not even worth watching your supplied videos.

And of course I don't support it. Who does? Why such an obvious question?
I asked the question because your rationale around why our National Guard used force against peaceful protesters alluded / implied it was reasonable and /or you supported it. Thank you for clarifying.
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Despite almost blanket coverage amid the liberal mainstream media claiming that Trump's so-called "photo-op" was led by police clearing streets with tear gas and flash-bangs - and universally decried by every talking head on TV and social media - the 'real news' is that nothing of the sort happened at all and the media made it all up... again!!!
authorities did not use tear gas in efforts to hold back protesters, some of whom were violent, at Lafayette Park ahead of President Donald Trump’s visit to St. John’s Church on Monday, according to the United States Park Police’s (USPP) acting chief.

“No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” Gregory Monahan said in a statement released on Tuesday. Monahan’s account contradicts media reports from the day that said tear gas was used to dispel demonstrators prior to Trump’s trip to the church, which was damaged by arsonists amid late-night protests on Sunday.

The USPP was working with the Secret Service to install temporary fencing inside Lafayette Park on Monday, ahead of a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew imposed by Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser.

At 6:33 p.m. violent protesters on H Street NW started to throw “projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles, and caustic liquid,” Monahan said.

“The protesters also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior.”


Officers found “caches of glass bottles, baseball bats, and metal poles hidden along the street,” and that “intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police,” Monahan added. To stop the violence, the USPP followed “established policy” and issued three warnings over a loudspeaker telling the demonstrators on H Street to leave the area, Monahan said.

“Horse mounted patrol, Civil Disturbance Units, and additional personnel were used to clear the area,” the USPP acting chief continued.

As many of the protesters became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls.”
The USPP will always support peaceful assembly but cannot tolerate violence to citizens or officers or damage to our nation’s resources that we are entrusted to protect,” he said.

Trump Did Not Make Decision on Clearing Protesters
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway told reporters on Tuesday that, “There was a plan to expand the perimeter from H Street to I Street based on the events as they had unfolded the night before.” Conway also said that Trump was not the one to make the decision on how to secure his movement to the church. “Clearly the president doesn’t know how law enforcement is handling his movements,” she said.

Demonstrations over four days prior to Monday in Lafayette Park and across the National Mall had “included activities that were not part of a peaceful protest” which caused 51 USPP officers to suffer injuries—11 of whom were taken to the hospital and released, and three of whom were admitted, the USPP statement read. Memorials and monuments were defaced and public property was also destroyed.

Multiple media outlets characterized Trump’s visit to the church as a “photo opportunity.” Conway dismissed the characterization on Tuesday.

“I think the words ‘photo-op’ itself—you’re looking in somebody’s heart and wondering and second-guessing why they would go over there,” she said.

“Is it a photo-op because a photo was taken while the president of the United States was in front of a church where we went on Inauguration Day where every president has gone for more than two centuries?” Conway asked. “I think that itself is a mischaracterization, I know it ended up being the ‘Sesame Street’ Grover word of the day. But that doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t make it true.”

“Again I’m going to say—different faith leaders, anybody, frankly, let’s say somebody who’s an atheist calling into question somebody else’s faith I think is a very fraught proposition,” Conway later added. “And this is a president who just now, moments ago, in the Oval office, signed an executive order on religious liberty for the entire world.

“That builds on his work last September, the United Nations General Assembly, where President Trump became the first president in American history to address the United Nations General Assembly thusly that way on international religious freedom.”
President Trump had departed the White House at 7:01 p.m. on Monday and made his way toward St. John’s Church, after having announced that he was deploying military personnel and other federal assets to quell violent riots in Washington.

Trump walked through Lafayette Park and onto H Street, which had been filled with protesters less an an hour earlier. The president then stood in front of the the 204-year-old church and held up a bible.

“We have the greatest country in the world,” Trump said at the church, where many past presidents have attended services. “We’re going to keep it safe.”

Trump was accompanied by a number of others, including his daughter, Ivanka Trump, White House advisers Jared Kushner and Hope Hicks, Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, Attorney General William Barr, National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien, and White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany.

Trump entered the White House at 7:18 p.m. after walking back from the church, without taking questions from reporters.

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So the question is - who benefits from the media's decision to run with the exaggerated claims of tear-gas use to clear the way for a Trump photo-op? And why did the media, en masse, publish this endlessly with no fact checks? Will Twitter label all the tweets retroactively as lies?
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madhatter wrote: but for some it's always:

gotta do what they tell you...
And there is nobody more reliably marching to the orders of their selected media source than you. What a rebel!


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random1 wrote:
madhatter wrote: but for some it's always:

gotta do what they tell you...
And there is nobody more reliably marching to the orders of their selected media source than you. What a rebel!


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that's pretty funny...dumb as fvck but funny nonetheless...
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Anyone know who the folks are deployed in riot gear around the White House without any insignia / labels? Maybe it’s common practice?

Just one example so you can see what I mean ...
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