Inflation
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Re: Inflation
Inflation was NEVER mentioned when president Trump was president You dippy dems were trying to impeach him remember??
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Re: Inflation
That's a reliable and verifiable data source.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 14th, '21, 06:26Fancypants wrote:
It goes well beyond all of this. The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration and their misaligned and misguided policies related to energy.
Here we see China overtaking the US in total energy production sometime around 2005, presumably at the beginning of the Biden administration.
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So share yours?Fancypants wrote: ↑Dec 15th, '21, 22:12That's a reliable and verifiable data source.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 14th, '21, 06:26Fancypants wrote:
It goes well beyond all of this. The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration and their misaligned and misguided policies related to energy.
Here we see China overtaking the US in total energy production sometime around 2005, presumably at the beginning of the Biden administration.
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Re: Inflation
Why wouldn't BP's statistical review be reliable? What motive do they have to fabricate energy production numbers like this?
This is the Trumper MO: if you are confronted with a fact that challenges the party line, just deny the source is reliable and ignore it, without providing or even researching any alternative data.
This is the Trumper MO: if you are confronted with a fact that challenges the party line, just deny the source is reliable and ignore it, without providing or even researching any alternative data.
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Re: Inflation
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 07:37Why wouldn't BP's statistical review be reliable? What motive do they have to fabricate energy production numbers like this?Fancypants wrote: ↑Dec 15th, '21, 22:12That's a reliable and verifiable data source.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 14th, '21, 06:26Fancypants wrote:
It goes well beyond all of this. The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration and their misaligned and misguided policies related to energy.
Here we see China overtaking the US in total energy production sometime around 2005, presumably at the beginning of the Biden administration.
This is the Trumper MO: if you are confronted with a fact that challenges the party line, just deny the source is reliable and ignore it, without providing or even researching any alternative data.
C'mon people. This graph is for energy, not oil. Take a look at China's coal production since 2007 and you'll see the source of their gain. Fancypants just may have been a little sloppy and used energy instead of oil when refering to the US, Coydog must know this but can't resist, and Easyrider goes off on a BP analysis and blaming a stereotype that actually has nothing to do with it, and doesn't research it whilst complaining about folks that don't do research...
I'd post a picture, but for some reason the easy historical graphs stop somewhere in the teens and don't show the entire recent 2 decades.
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I will admit this is a good point. However Fancy's original post, which this was a response to, talked about ENERGY not OIL. His exact quote: "The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration and their misaligned and misguided policies related to energy." (emphasis added)Mister Moose wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 08:42 C'mon people. This graph is for energy, not oil. Take a look at China's coal production since 2007 and you'll see the source of their gain.
You are mischaracterizing Fancy's post. He questioned the reliability of the chart without reason.Fancypants just may have been a little sloppy and used energy instead of oil when refering to the US, Coydog must know this but can't resist, and Easyrider goes off on a BP analysis and blaming a stereotype that actually has nothing to do with it, and doesn't research it whilst complaining about folks that don't do research...
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Best I could find, Moose. Although the premise was "The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration", not oil. Words have meaningMister Moose wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 08:42easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 07:37Why wouldn't BP's statistical review be reliable? What motive do they have to fabricate energy production numbers like this?Fancypants wrote: ↑Dec 15th, '21, 22:12That's a reliable and verifiable data source.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 14th, '21, 06:26Fancypants wrote:
It goes well beyond all of this. The US was the worlds leading energy producer prior to the entry of the Biden administration and their misaligned and misguided policies related to energy.
Here we see China overtaking the US in total energy production sometime around 2005, presumably at the beginning of the Biden administration.
This is the Trumper MO: if you are confronted with a fact that challenges the party line, just deny the source is reliable and ignore it, without providing or even researching any alternative data.
C'mon people. This graph is for energy, not oil. Take a look at China's coal production since 2007 and you'll see the source of their gain. Fancypants just may have been a little sloppy and used energy instead of oil when refering to the US, Coydog must know this but can't resist, and Easyrider goes off on a BP analysis and blaming a stereotype that actually has nothing to do with it, and doesn't research it whilst complaining about folks that don't do research...
I'd post a picture, but for some reason the easy historical graphs stop somewhere in the teens and don't show the entire recent 2 decades.
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Re: Inflation
I will point out that I asked Fancy to clarify what exactly he was talking about several posts earlier, and he declined to do so, replying only with a criticism of Coydog's graph. I think my "stereotype" criticism still stands - Fancy ignored conflicting data, didn't even engage with it the way Moose did, and just simply questioned it's accuracy and authenticity without attempting to verify or cite contradictory data. This is typical Trumper thinking.
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Oh, Trumpers have the patent on this behavior? I didn't know. Lots of patent infringement suits will likely be forthcoming.easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 08:59 I will point out that I asked Fancy to clarify what exactly he was talking about several posts earlier, and he declined to do so, replying only with a criticism of Coydog's graph. I think my "stereotype" criticism still stands - Fancy ignored conflicting data, didn't even engage with it the way Moose did, and just simply questioned it's accuracy and authenticity without attempting to verify or cite contradictory data. This is typical Trumper thinking.
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Both parties do it pretty well, but only one of them tried to overthrow the will of the people.Mister Moose wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 09:26Oh, Trumpers have the patent on this behavior? I didn't know. Lots of patent infringement suits will likely be forthcoming.easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 08:59 I will point out that I asked Fancy to clarify what exactly he was talking about several posts earlier, and he declined to do so, replying only with a criticism of Coydog's graph. I think my "stereotype" criticism still stands - Fancy ignored conflicting data, didn't even engage with it the way Moose did, and just simply questioned it's accuracy and authenticity without attempting to verify or cite contradictory data. This is typical Trumper thinking.
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Fair point. You are correct. There are certainly people on the left side of the margin that do the same thing.Mister Moose wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 09:26 Oh, Trumpers have the patent on this behavior? I didn't know. Lots of patent infringement suits will likely be forthcoming.
Re: Inflation
FP’s unsubstantiated and specious claim is contradicted with objective data from a reputable source. FP whines about the reliability of the source without providing a morsel of data that even remotely questions the source.
Moose then clairvoyantly asserts FP was actually claiming something entirely different, but of course provides no data to support this inferred and still unsubstantiated claim – apparently something to do with the internet being broken.
As already mentioned, seems to me like a prime example of Trump era untethered conservative thinking that all too often leads to tribal outrage about imaginary outcomes from imaginary causes.
Moose then clairvoyantly asserts FP was actually claiming something entirely different, but of course provides no data to support this inferred and still unsubstantiated claim – apparently something to do with the internet being broken.
As already mentioned, seems to me like a prime example of Trump era untethered conservative thinking that all too often leads to tribal outrage about imaginary outcomes from imaginary causes.
Re: Inflation
Wow, how much screen time do you knuckleheads have on this topic?
All you need to know is Biden cancelled Keystone on day one, then he allowed the Nord Stream pipeline to be finished, and then he went to OPEC and begged them to produce more oil. Stupid is as stupid does.
All you need to know is Biden cancelled Keystone on day one, then he allowed the Nord Stream pipeline to be finished, and then he went to OPEC and begged them to produce more oil. Stupid is as stupid does.
I get all the news I need from the weather report
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When the immediate prior numerous posts had to do with oil and oil pipelines and not world energy consumption, it doesn't take clairvoyance, it takes a recognition of context. But have your fun, it is Kzone after all. There is no data to provide, just push the button for the previous page if you need to be refreshed.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 12:15 Moose then clairvoyantly asserts FP was actually claiming something entirely different, but of course provides no data to support this inferred and still unsubstantiated claim – apparently something to do with the internet being broken.
As already mentioned, seems to me like a prime example of Trump era untethered conservative thinking that all too often leads to tribal outrage about imaginary outcomes from imaginary causes.
Re: Inflation
FP's claim stands on it's own. But no matter, whether energy production or oil production, you have no credible data to support the central assertion the US was the world's leading producer until the start of the Biden administration but not thereafter because of the administration's energy policies.Mister Moose wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 13:48When the immediate prior numerous posts had to do with oil and oil pipelines and not world energy consumption, it doesn't take clairvoyance, it takes a recognition of context. But have your fun, it is Kzone after all. There is no data to provide, just push the button for the previous page if you need to be refreshed.Coydog wrote: ↑Dec 16th, '21, 12:15 Moose then clairvoyantly asserts FP was actually claiming something entirely different, but of course provides no data to support this inferred and still unsubstantiated claim – apparently something to do with the internet being broken.
As already mentioned, seems to me like a prime example of Trump era untethered conservative thinking that all too often leads to tribal outrage about imaginary outcomes from imaginary causes.