Columbus Day or indigenous peoples day?

[throbster]

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell, 1984

[easyrider16]

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell, 1984

What's really Orwellian is to quote Orwell to justify keeping your revisionist history instead of acknowledging the true history.

[throbster]

IN 1492

In fourteen hundred ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

He had three ships and left from Spain;
He sailed through sunshine, wind and r*in.

He sailed by night; he sailed by day;
He used the stars to find his way.

A compass also helped him know
How to find the way to go.

Ninety sailors were on board;
Some men worked while others snored.

Then the workers went to sleep;
And others watched the ocean deep.

Day after day they looked for land;
They dreamed of trees and rocks and sand.

October 12 their dream came true,
You never saw a happier crew!

“Indians! Indians!” Columbus cried;
His heart was filled with joyful pride.

But “India” the land was not;
It was the Bahamas, and it was hot.

The Arakawa natives were very nice;
They gave the sailors food and spice.

Columbus sailed on to find some gold
To bring back home, as he’d been told.

He made the trip again and again,
Trading gold to bring to Spain.

The first American? No, not quite.
But Columbus was brave, and he was bright.

[easyrider16]

^^ exactly my point. Nothing in there about him taking slaves or his brutal treatment of natives. It's glorified, whitewashed history taught to children. The man did unspeakable things to human beings yet kids are taught to sing fun songs about him. Kinda messed up.

[XtremeJibber2001]

^^ exactly my point. Nothing in there about him taking slaves or his brutal treatment of natives. It's glorified, whitewashed history taught to children. The man did unspeakable things to human beings yet kids are taught to sing fun songs about him. Kinda messed up.

It's ... Orwellian.

[throbster]

^^ exactly my point. Nothing in there about him taking slaves or his brutal treatment of natives. It's glorified, whitewashed history taught to children. The man did unspeakable things to human beings yet kids are taught to sing fun songs about him. Kinda messed up.

What you fail to understand is that at that time people all over the world had slaves (including African kings) and treated others brutally.

In your ignorant world view, it's as if societal norms don't change with the passage of time.

[Bubba]

^^ exactly my point. Nothing in there about him taking slaves or his brutal treatment of natives. It's glorified, whitewashed history taught to children. The man did unspeakable things to human beings yet kids are taught to sing fun songs about him. Kinda messed up.

What you fail to understand is that at that time people all over the world had slaves (including African kings) and treated others brutally.

In your ignorant world view, it's as if societal norms don't change with the passage of time.

Societal norms change with the passage of time. Should we celebrate today what we now know (or consider) to be barbaric?

[easyrider16]

What you fail to understand is that at that time people all over the world had slaves (including African kings) and treated others brutally.

In your ignorant world view, it's as if societal norms don't change with the passage of time.

People all over the world also pointed out the brutality and evil of slavery. The OT Bible condemns the practice of taking slaves (Exodus 21:16), and Gregory of Nyssa called for the abolition of slavery as early as 400 A.D. Slave owners, on the other hand, have often used the argument of societal norms to justify it. But that's always been a specious argument - any thinking person can readily see that forcibly taking slaves is and always has been evil. That some people were willing to tolerate it to have a comfortable life is no excuse.

In any case, Columbus was criticized not just by modern historians but by his own contemporaries for his brutality and tyranny. Taking slaves was only one of his sins.

[deadheadskier]

Only a moron would celebrate Columbus still.

We have a lot of morons in this country though. Somehow telling the truth about the guy triggers them greatly, which is a poor reflection of their character.

[throbster]

Only a moron would celebrate Columbus still.

We have a lot of morons in this country though. Somehow telling the truth about the guy triggers them greatly, which is a poor reflection of their character.

Yet you morons are cool with consuming oil from barbaric countries and subscribe to the ideology of socialism that has led to the demise of millions.

Columbus was a giant among men and will forever be celebrated by the majority.

[deadheadskier]

Only a moron would celebrate Columbus still.

We have a lot of morons in this country though. Somehow telling the truth about the guy triggers them greatly, which is a poor reflection of their character.

Yet you morons are cool with consuming oil from barbaric countries and subscribe to the ideology of socialism that has led to the demise of millions.

Columbus was a giant among men and will forever be celebrated by the majority.

Lol. Hilarious word salad there.


Yes, we know you're an immoral loser.

[Fancypants]

Only a moron would celebrate Columbus still.

We have a lot of morons in this country though. Somehow telling the truth about the guy triggers them greatly, which is a poor reflection of their character.

Yet you morons are cool with consuming oil from barbaric countries and subscribe to the ideology of socialism that has led to the demise of millions.

Columbus was a giant among men and will forever be celebrated by the majority.

Lol. Hilarious word salad there.


Yes, we know you're an immoral loser.

A far cry from the word salads uttered on a daily basis by every progressive democratic when asked a simple question..... Kamala??

[throbster]

Only a moron would celebrate Columbus still.

We have a lot of morons in this country though. Somehow telling the truth about the guy triggers them greatly, which is a poor reflection of their character.

Yet you morons are cool with consuming oil from barbaric countries and subscribe to the ideology of socialism that has led to the demise of millions.

Columbus was a giant among men and will forever be celebrated by the majority.

Lol. Hilarious word salad there.


Yes, we know you're an immoral loser.

A far cry from the word salads uttered on a daily basis by every progressive democratic when asked a simple question..... Kamala??

I'd rather speak word salad than diarrhea of the mouth like deadweight.

Speaking of the Veep...

https://youtu.be/9wqUZORiXy4

[Mister Moose]

And what of his world altering accomplishment? That should be ignored due to a character flaw that had different context in his time?

[easyrider16]

And what of his world altering accomplishment? That should be ignored due to a character flaw that had different context in his time?

I don't think it should be ignored, but nor do I think he should have his own holiday. You can teach kids about a person's accomplishments along with his flaws. I think that's healthy. What's not healthy is celebrating his accomplishment while ignoring his flaws.

I also think the notion that his "character flaw" had a "different context in his time" is false. The people of his day well knew that what he was doing in taking slaves was morally reprehensible. See my comment above about the old testament Bible prohibiting this behavior. People had been calling the taking of slaves an evil for a great many centuries before Columbus was born.