2024 Election

[XtremeJibber2001]

[deadheadskier]

To that, Jack Smith says, "F around and Find out Donnie"

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... O9tFcTavKQ

[XtremeJibber2001]

To that, Jack Smith says, "F around and Find out Donnie"

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... O9tFcTavKQ

Crazy train ….

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[Bubba]

Major DeSantis donor cuts off funds and demands more moderate policies

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ate-shift/

Ummm….I think it’s way too late for that. He’s been staking out the ground to the right of Trump. Kinda hard to change now.

Another viewpoint

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/0 ... s-00109958

[spanky]

This might have legs…


The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... cy/675048/

Non-paywalled:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230820005 ... cy/675048/

[easyrider16]

Unfortunately, I do not think it does. He's not being charged with nor has he been convicted of treason or rebelling against the United States in any court or by the Senate via impeachment. He's being charged with obstructing an official proceeding and defrauding the U.S. government, which I do not think would qualify under this section of the Constitution. Also, I think someone tried this before on the state level and it was rejected.

[Bubba]

Republican debate this week: who’s in, who’s out.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/politics ... index.html

[f.a.s.t.]

Republican debate this week: who’s in, who’s out.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/politics ... index.html

Are you actually going to waste your time and watch it?

[Bubba]

Republican debate this week: who’s in, who’s out.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/politics ... index.html

Are you actually going to waste your time and watch it?

Maybe catch part of it? You?

[XtremeJibber2001]

Why does Vivek support defending Taiwan, but not Ukraine? Anyone know?

[spanky]

Unfortunately, I do not think it does. He's not being charged with nor has he been convicted of treason or rebelling against the United States in any court or by the Senate via impeachment. He's being charged with obstructing an official proceeding and defrauding the U.S. government, which I do not think would qualify under this section of the Constitution. Also, I think someone tried this before on the state level and it was rejected.

You’re more the legal eagle than I am, but I was under the impression that he didn’t need to be convicted in order for this to apply.

[easyrider16]

I think you're right, but I also think it very unlikely that a judge would try to enforce this provision against Trump without a conviction on the record.

They tried to do this to Greene. It was dismissed on the grounds that there was no evidence Greene participated in the insurrection.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ju ... challenge/

There might be a stronger case for Trump, as he is alleged to have organized this fake electors scheme, but that's not quite the same thing as insurrection or rebellion against the government. I just don't see a judge disqualifying a major candidate like Trump unless there is something rock solid, like a criminal conviction for sedition, especially since he himself wasn't present at the capitol (likely by design for this very reason).

[XtremeJibber2001]

Republican debate this week: who’s in, who’s out.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/21/politics ... index.html

Are you actually going to waste your time and watch it?

Maybe catch part of it? You?

I expect there will be a lot of heckling from GOP in the crowd.

[spanky]

I think you're right, but I also think it very unlikely that a judge would try to enforce this provision against Trump without a conviction on the record.

They tried to do this to Greene. It was dismissed on the grounds that there was no evidence Greene participated in the insurrection.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ju ... challenge/

There might be a stronger case for Trump, as he is alleged to have organized this fake electors scheme, but that's not quite the same thing as insurrection or rebellion against the government. I just don't see a judge disqualifying a major candidate like Trump unless there is something rock solid, like a criminal conviction for sedition, especially since he himself wasn't present at the capitol (likely by design for this very reason).

The case against Madison Cawthorn went to appeal and was overturned, but the case was moot since he lost his nomination.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ion-ruling

I still think there’s hope.

“It makes clear that the 1872 Amnesty Act poses no barrier to similar future … challenges of the qualification of candidates to appear on the ballot, thus ensuring that section three of the 14th amendment can continue to serve its purpose as an important mechanism for holding public officials accountable when they violate their oaths of office.”

[easyrider16]

I hope you're right and I'm wrong. But I think that Cawthorn appeal was about a narrow issue, not the question of whether he actually engaged in rebellion or insurrection or gave aid and comfort to those who did. And if they try this with Trump, you know where it will end up. Do you trust those 6 conservative justices at SCOTUS to do the right thing? Robertson might, but the other 5...