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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: May 15th, '23, 08:12
deadheadskier wrote: May 15th, '23, 05:49 "Happy Mother’s Day to ALL, in particular the Mothers, Wives and Lovers of the Radical Left Fascists, Marxists, and Communists who are doing everything within their power to destroy and obliterate our once great Country. Please make these complete Lunatics and Maniacs Kinder, Gentler, Softer and, most importantly, Smarter, so that we can, quickly, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

If my family had an older relative acting like this, we'd be discussing putting them in an institution. Yet, tens of millions of Americans worship this insane loser like he's a god and he is the leader of the GOP. WTF Trumpers? Seriously, what is wrong with you to support this?

Yes, the Democrats suck for not pushing Joe to step aside for a younger candidate, but at least Joe is not clinically insane.
Large swaths of American society resent and envy others. A subset of this swath is vindictive. Democrats have this too, but have thus far kept the real crazies at bay.

Has been and always will be a heart issue, but I digress ...

I think a lot of folks are able to put aside the diarrhea of the mouth as just noise and focus on his policies (e.g., talk/bluster vs action). I just have a hard time identifying a Trump policy that had an overwhelming positive impact - maybe the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act - but this came at great cost and added to an already ballooning debt. How great a cost? Well the tax cuts account for 1/4 of our nation's entire debt.
what was it called - operation warp speed or something? the push to get COVID vaccines made in record time happened under trump. also, his antiwar beliefs seem genuine and make him like a broken clock, right twice a day.

whats truly baffling is that he doesnt take the COVID vaccine development as a political win because his base hates it, it makes no sense. it was a win!
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easyrider16 wrote: May 25th, '23, 13:17 I listened to a bit of DeSantis on Twitter today. I would say generally that he did a pretty good job. He seemed articulate, on point, and coherent, every bit a counterpoint to Trump's crazy. On the other hand, it seemed like it was pretty scripted. He was in a very friendly forum, with just a handful of people asking questions, and all of them were giving him softballs. There was no push back on any of his claims and no real back and forth exchange of ideas.

Most interesting to me was his criticism of private equity making decisions not to fund other private companies based on "woke" ideology. He seems to think this is some kind of violation of people's fundamental rights. It was hard not to feel the extreme irony as he is using the power of state government to punish Disney because of their ideology.
capitalists hate it when the free market does free market things they disagree with
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: May 26th, '23, 06:51 Instantly disqualifying …

DeSantis says he’ll consider pardoning Jan. 6 defendants, including Trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... trump/amp/
yeah, thats disqualifying, but ramping up a genocide against LGBTQ people isnt? because thats what hes doing in florida. hes looking to genocide us. its so obvious.
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In case you needed yet another reason not to vote for Trump:

Twitter erupts after Trump trolls DeSantis with AI-generated video of his 2024 announcement
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitte ... nouncement
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That only makes the deplorables like him more.
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The leader of the GOP ...

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boston_e wrote: May 25th, '23, 12:28
XtremeJibber2001 wrote: May 25th, '23, 10:33
easyrider16 wrote: May 25th, '23, 09:57Right now DeSantis v. Biden looks like it favors DeSantis, but I suspect that might change. DeSantis has done some really kooky stuff in FL what with banning books and don't say gay etc., and I doubt that will play well on the national stage.
Meanwhile, we can only hope ... unfortunately he will be seen as a RINO.

Chris Sununu Mulls Launching Doomed GOP 2024 Bid
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05 ... 4-bid.html
Chris Sununu is accelerating plans to run for president, with close allies telling The Dispatch the New Hampshire governor wants to seek the Republican nomination and is exploring avenues for mounting a viable 2024 campaign.

In telephone calls and in-person meetings, Sununu is pitching a potential White House bid to wealthy Republican donors in New Hampshire who have backed his four gubernatorial campaigns—and to top GOP financiers across the country. The response is encouraging the governor to move forward. Sununu’s political operation has conducted polling to test messaging and political competitiveness with Republican voters and is holding conversations with prospective campaign staff in the key, early primary states.
I like Sununu a lot. Unfortunately, he is an outlier in today's republican party.

I'm also not sure I'll vote for a Republican for president until the supreme court is more balanced out to where it was before.
Maybe this fits more in the Election 2024 thread. As saying, I do like Sununu and would absolutely vote for him for Governor if I were in NH. In prior years he would also be 100% the type of candidate I would prefer to back running for president. But as mentioned, as long as the supreme court is so lopsided, I'm not supporting a Republican for president.
I’m not running for president in 2024. Beating Trump is more important.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -gop-2024/
Opinion I’m not running for president in 2024. Beating Trump is more important.
By Chris Sununu
June 5, 2023 at 12:07 p.m. EDT

I will not be seeking the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

Our party is on a collision course toward electoral irrelevance without significant corrective action. The stakes are too high for a crowded field to hand the nomination to a candidate who earns just 35 percent of the vote, and I will help ensure this does not happen.

The path to winning was clear, but I believe I can have more influence on the future of the Republican Party and the 2024 nominating process not as a candidate but as the governor of the first-in-the-nation primary state — a governor who is unafraid to speak candidly about issues, candidates and the direction of our party, untethered from the limitations of a presidential campaign and unleashed from conventional boundaries. We must not be complacent, and candidates should not get into this race to further a vanity campaign, to sell books or to audition to serve as Donald Trump’s vice president.

Since 2017, the national Republican Party has lost up and down the ballot, in red states and in blue states, and in elections spanning the House, Senate and presidency. That will happen again unless we Republicans undergo a course correction.

Current polls indicate Trump is the leading Republican candidate in 2024. He did not deliver on his promises to drain the swamp, secure the border and instill fiscal responsibility while in office — and added $8 trillion to our national debt — yet now he wants four more years. He is facing numerous investigations and continues to peddle the conspiracy theory that he won the 2020 election, repelling independents.

If he is the nominee, Republicans will lose again. Just as we did in 2018, 2020 and 2022. This is indisputable, and I am not willing to let it happen without a fight.

By choosing not to seek the nomination, I can be more effective for the Republican Party in ways few other leaders can. The microphone afforded to the governor of New Hampshire plays a critical role in an early nominating state. I plan to endorse, campaign and support the candidate I believe has the best chance of winning in November 2024.

To win, Republicans need our message to appeal to new voters, and we can do this without sacrificing classic conservative principles of individual liberty, low taxes and local control. But we must abandon the issues that are solely made for social media headlines, such as banning books or issuing curriculum fiats to local school districts hundreds of miles away from state capitals. Republicans should re-embrace local control and let parents within their own communities decide what’s right.

In 2024, millennials and Gen Zers will be a significant voting bloc. Republicans must not cede this ground. Too often, we have terrible messengers who are focused on the wrong issues. Instead of pushing deeply unpopular and restrictive nationwide abortion bans, Republicans should recognize that every time they open their mouths to talk about banning abortion, an independent voter joins the Democrats.

We need to expand beyond the culture wars that alienate independents, young voters and suburban moms. Republicans must offer an optimistic blueprint to prioritize issues that connect with these voters — addressing the homelessness crisis, imposing fiscal responsibility, reducing inflation, securing our borders, becoming energy independent — all while championing their personal freedoms, before they permanently move away from the Republican Party.

No one can stop candidates from entering this race, but candidates with no path to victory must have the discipline to get out. Anyone polling in the low single digits by this winter needs to have the courage to hang it up and head home.

Too many other candidates who have entered this race are simply running to be Trump’s vice president. That’s not leadership; that’s weakness. Too many candidates are afraid to confront Trump, surrendering to his attacks. I will have more credibility speaking out against Trump as a non-candidate to help move the conversation toward the future I believe the Republican Party should embrace.

The best path for the party’s prosperity is when we embrace limited government, individual responsibility and personal freedoms. Over the next few months, I will travel the country to support the party, bring on new voters, inspire the next generation and help grow our party. The stakes are too high for any of us to sit on the sidelines.
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Opinion: Republicans, take a good hard look at where Trump is leading you

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/opin ... index.html
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Bubba wrote: Jun 15th, '23, 13:10 Opinion: Republicans, take a good hard look at where Trump is leading you

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/opin ... index.html
Alice Stewart? Former Communications Director for Ted Cruz? Totally part of the deep state and also a RINO /s :lol:
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Just what you would expect cultists to do. Double down
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I just saw an interview with Chris Christie. Why shouldn't we vote for this guy? I already like him better than Trump and DeSantis, although that admittedly is a low bar to set.
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easyrider16 wrote: Jun 20th, '23, 08:22 I just saw an interview with Chris Christie. Why shouldn't we vote for this guy? I already like him better than Trump and DeSantis, although that admittedly is a low bar to set.
He's definitely brighter than both Trump or DeSantis

But intellect seems like a detriment to R candidates for the past 25 years. Maybe R voters find intelligence intimidating ? Bush came across as a regular guy and not super smart. Perhaps intellect is viewed as "elite" and unrelatable to the working class.
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easyrider16 wrote: Jun 20th, '23, 08:22 I just saw an interview with Chris Christie. Why shouldn't we vote for this guy? I already like him better than Trump and DeSantis, although that admittedly is a low bar to set.
Christie would be a much better president than either Trump or DeSantis - but don't forget he shook Obamas hand after Hurricane Sandy so the deplorables don't like him. He is unlikely to get more than 2 or 3 percent of the primary vote.
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