XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Mar 5th, '24, 09:49
Seems Section 3 of the 14th Amendment would never really be used now?
I mean I think this is the take away from this situation. It's such a poorly written, poorly thought-out section of the Constitution that it's basically useless, at least as it regards the President. Impeachment is likely the only viable method to remove a duly-elected President, and as we know that is also pretty useless.
I guess the section is potentially useful for members of congress. Congress could vote to refuse to seat a duly elected representative or senator based on Section 3, and I don't think SCOTUS could do anything about that.
XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Mar 5th, '24, 09:49
Seems Section 3 of the 14th Amendment would never really be used now?
I mean I think this is the take away from this situation. It's such a poorly written, poorly thought-out section of the Constitution that it's basically useless, at least as it regards the President. Impeachment is likely the only viable method to remove a duly-elected President, and as we know that is also pretty useless.
I guess the section is potentially useful for members of congress. Congress could vote to refuse to seat a duly elected representative or senator based on Section 3, and I don't think SCOTUS could do anything about that.
Here's hoping, should Trump be re-elected, the House or Senate maintain a majority by Democrats.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Feb 29th, '24, 10:03
My guess is they will render an opinion that discusses the key legal issues for the immunity argument, and instruct the trial court to proceed based on their opinion. Then the case gets scheduled for trial, and if convicted, Trump will appeal again. All told, this case won't be fully wrapped up until well after the election.
Long and short of it is, Trump likely makes it to the election as a candidate. If democrats want to beat him, they'll have to beat him at the ballot box.
Trump immunity oral argument set for April 25 ... last day of hearings this term.
I've been thinking about this, and I think part of the reason SCOTUS is delaying here is that they don't want a trial before the election, and not just because the majority of justices are right-wingers. I think they don't want to get involved in the politics, and that includes the liberal judges. They want this to be decided by the electorate.
If the trial gets delayed until after the election, and Trump wins, all these cases go away and they don't have to do anything. If he loses, all the urgency of these prosecutions goes away and it could be years before SCOTUS has to deal with post-trial appeals. By then, few people will care.
Bottom line, I don't think SCOTUS wants to be in the spotlight and risk political retribution from either party. They have cushy, lifetime appointments, so why risk it? They can even justify it - they'll tell themselves and their associates that these are big, weighty issues, and the process shouldn't be rushed.
Now that we're down to Trump vs Biden in the general election I hope the major networks will stop treating Trump as a legitimate candidate. He is not a legitimate candidate, he's all of the things he's been accused of and should be trashed like the scum that he is. Hopefully he will not survive until November.
G-smashed wrote: ↑Mar 6th, '24, 18:48
Now that we're down to Trump vs Biden in the general election I hope the major networks will stop treating Trump as a legitimate candidate. He is not a legitimate candidate, he's all of the things he's been accused of and should be trashed like the scum that he is. Hopefully he will not survive until November.
So the GOP just spent the last few years piling on Biden about his age, claiming he had dementia, was not up to the task, etc., and the whole time Biden just stayed silent, out of the spotlight, and took the hits. Then at the SOTU he came out swinging - not only did he give a solid speech, he anticipated the heckling and had responses ready. Meanwhile Trump is out there talking nonsense at stump speeches, making crazy tweets, and melting down under the stress of all his legal troubles.
I have to admit, I underestimated Biden. Turns out the guy is a pretty good politician after all. He still has his work cut out for him, but I think the SOTU was a pretty impressive start.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Mar 9th, '24, 15:20
You know what Biden just pulled? Rope-a-dope.
So the GOP just spent the last few years piling on Biden about his age, claiming he had dementia, was not up to the task, etc., and the whole time Biden just stayed silent, out of the spotlight, and took the hits. Then at the SOTU he came out swinging - not only did he give a solid speech, he anticipated the heckling and had responses ready. Meanwhile Trump is out there talking nonsense at stump speeches, making crazy tweets, and melting down under the stress of all his legal troubles.
I have to admit, I underestimated Biden. Turns out the guy is a pretty good politician after all. He still has his work cut out for him, but I think the SOTU was a pretty impressive start.
All of that is irrelevant to his supporters, that is if they even see it on the news feeds/channels they watch or read.
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Killington Zone
You can checkout any time you like,
but you can never leave
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function" =
F. Scott Fitzgerald
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easyrider16 wrote: ↑Mar 9th, '24, 19:13
Right but Biden knows he can't win Trump's hard core supporters. All he's trying to do is sway the independents in swing states.
How does he expect to win over moderates when he acts like this? Most people in the political middle find this behavior repulsive regardless of what his base might think of it.
