Killingtons Mission

[Stormchaser]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

[Dr. NO]

it's so enjoyable here when skippy's at his drill bit making job during the day.

It must be a real hoot on the factory floor in Bridgewater.

I get this Laverne & Shirley Shotz Brewery image.

I was completely unaware of what cutting edge did, until 3 weeks ago, when I got a job there! Its a huge company!!! We just shipped out an order March 30, bringing in over $400,000 !!!! Its really amazing to see everything in action. They operate 24 hours a day, its a big time, real deal factory.

Infact, its "The Most Advanced Bur Manufacturer In The World!"


http://www.ceiburs.com/default.htm

They are small time.

We shipped $4.1M in product alone yesterday and that it only one division.

One of the best parts of my job is to see manufacturing of all kinds. I see screw machines make parts like those on Amp connectors or screws for you leg to Jet Engines and Steam Turbans. One place may ship a couple parts per month while another ships a couple thousand / day. Mitsubishi was making 4 cyl turbo engines in Mexico, 1200 / month and upped that to 3200. Amazing the economy of the world can suck that up. Imagine Poulan making 2 cc engines at 3.6 MM / year.

[SPORE]

it's so enjoyable here when skippy's at his drill bit making job during the day.

It must be a real hoot on the factory floor in Bridgewater.

I get this Laverne & Shirley Shotz Brewery image.

I was completely unaware of what cutting edge did, until 3 weeks ago, when I got a job there! Its a huge company!!! We just shipped out an order March 30, bringing in over $400,000 !!!! Its really amazing to see everything in action. They operate 24 hours a day, its a big time, real deal factory.

Infact, its "The Most Advanced Bur Manufacturer In The World!"


http://www.ceiburs.com/default.htm

They are small time.

We shipped $4.1M in product alone yesterday and that it only one division.

One of the best parts of my job is to see manufacturing of all kinds. I see screw machines make parts like those on Amp connectors or screws for you leg to Jet Engines and Steam Turbans. One place may ship a couple parts per month while another ships a couple thousand / day. Mitsubishi was making 4 cyl turbo engines in Mexico, 1200 / month and upped that to 3200. Amazing the economy of the world can suck that up. Imagine Poulan making 2 cc engines at 3.6 MM / year.

$4.1M of laundry detergent.....Now everyone go roll around in the mud..I want a nice bonus next quarter.

[XtremeJibber2001]

$4.1M of laundry detergent.....Now everyone go roll around in the mud..I want a nice bonus next quarter.

That an average value of product your company ships daily?

Just out of curiosity are you familiar with the software package used to manage your manufacturing, shipping, sales, and accounting processes. Curious if your company uses an ERP system.

[GoBigOrGoHome]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

Now we are starting to discuss fruitful compromises. If I was Powdr I could respect a request like that (assuming the limit for what is acceptable is not rediculously high). They wouldn't want to build anything knowing there is excess capacity (because they could loose their shirt), and the town wouldn't want new retail or residential development until they could support it (reasons previously discussed). Finally, a course of action that could make both parties happy!! This is a novel concept (even though it shouldn't be because anyone can see that the success of both parties are intertwined). This is the sort of progress that can be achieved when both parties talk openly. Now we just have to have both parties come together under this premise. Compromises like this can't be reached if both parties are throwing temper tantrums.... My point is, cooler heads need to prevail.

[skiadikt]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

in that case with powdr actually shrinking the business, there's no way the town could/would approve any new development. i'm thinking we could see skier day numbers as low as 750,000 which is a far cry from the million+ in the glory years. i think i remember hearing asc toss around a number like 1.2 million skier days needed before they could justify starting the village & interconnect developments.

[Mister Moose]

Site where Upper Deck burnt down still empty = nowhere near enough demand for new retail to consider a villageful.

A phased approval might make sense, where some residential is built, then more, then eventually hotels and shops if increased skier visits support all the new housing.

[Stormchaser]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

in that case with powdr actually shrinking the business, there's no way the town could/would approve any new development. i'm thinking we could see skier day numbers as low as 750,000 which is a far cry from the million+ in the glory years. i think i remember hearing asc toss around a number like 1.2 million skier days needed before they could justify starting the village & interconnect developments.

Forces POWDRs hand to draw skiers to the resort... Either they step up or walk. Do the interconnect, spread skiers out on new terrain and pico, draw in more customers to fill the voids, THEN build the village...

[GoBigOrGoHome]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

in that case with powdr actually shrinking the business, there's no way the town could/would approve any new development. i'm thinking we could see skier day numbers as low as 750,000 which is a far cry from the million+ in the glory years. i think i remember hearing asc toss around a number like 1.2 million skier days needed before they could justify starting the village & interconnect developments.

Forces POWDRs hand to draw skiers to the resort... Either they step up or walk. Do the interconnect, spread skiers out on new terrain and pico, draw in more customers to fill the voids, THEN build the village...

I think we are moving backwards here stormchaser. Don't tell Powdr what they can and can't do and in what order they can or can't do it in. Just say these are our concerns....These are how our concerns will be aleviated (with realistic achieveable goals).... Don't tell them first you need to do the interconnect, then you need to jump through this hoop, then you need to jump through that hoop, then we may give you the right to build a village. That is not a compromise... that is somebody dictating how to run a business. And if the mountain was mine, I wouldn't be so happy with 1,000 different experts (none of which knowing my financial situation) telling me what are/are not acceptable practices for running my business. Just express your concerns and try to work with the mountain in addressing them. Nobody likes ultimatums.

[BoozeTan]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

in that case with powdr actually shrinking the business, there's no way the town could/would approve any new development. i'm thinking we could see skier day numbers as low as 750,000 which is a far cry from the million+ in the glory years. i think i remember hearing asc toss around a number like 1.2 million skier days needed before they could justify starting the village & interconnect developments.

Forces POWDRs hand to draw skiers to the resort... Either they step up or walk. Do the interconnect, spread skiers out on new terrain and pico, draw in more customers to fill the voids, THEN build the village...

I think we are moving backwards here stormchaser. Don't tell Powdr what they can and can't do and in what order they can or can't do it in. Just say these are our concerns....These are how our concerns will be aleviated (with realistic achieveable goals).... Don't tell them first you need to do the interconnect, then you need to jump through this hoop, then you need to jump through that hoop, then we may give you the right to build a village. That is not a compromise... that is somebody dictating how to run a business. And if the mountain was mine, I wouldn't be so happy with 1,000 different experts (none of which knowing my financial situation) telling me what are/are not acceptable practices for running my business. Just express your concerns and try to work with the mountain in addressing them. Nobody likes ultimatums.

or Old Tomatoes either

[Stormchaser]

The town should require that Killington provide statistics to show that existing businesses and beds are at or near capacity during the ski season, before permitting any retail or residential development. Set a limit for what is acceptable, and when resort business attracts numbers to support expansion, issue their permit.

in that case with powdr actually shrinking the business, there's no way the town could/would approve any new development. i'm thinking we could see skier day numbers as low as 750,000 which is a far cry from the million+ in the glory years. i think i remember hearing asc toss around a number like 1.2 million skier days needed before they could justify starting the village & interconnect developments.

Forces POWDRs hand to draw skiers to the resort... Either they step up or walk. Do the interconnect, spread skiers out on new terrain and pico, draw in more customers to fill the voids, THEN build the village...

I think we are moving backwards here stormchaser. Don't tell Powdr what they can and can't do and in what order they can or can't do it in. Just say these are our concerns....These are how our concerns will be aleviated (with realistic achieveable goals).... Don't tell them first you need to do the interconnect, then you need to jump through this hoop, then you need to jump through that hoop, then we may give you the right to build a village. That is not a compromise... that is somebody dictating how to run a business. And if the mountain was mine, I wouldn't be so happy with 1,000 different experts (none of which knowing my financial situation) telling me what are/are not acceptable practices for running my business. Just express your concerns and try to work with the mountain in addressing them. Nobody likes ultimatums.

Nope you're right. See my earlier comment for what the town should require. However POWDR chooses to alleviate those requirements is POWDR's choice. I was merely making a suggestion of how such requirements could be resolved. If POWDR's got a better model for restoring the influx of capital to the town, by all means. All I say is show me first, promises come pretty empty at this point...

[Bubba]

It's been mentioned before but probably forgetten - the town, along with telling SP Land that it must file a new application, has also commissioned an economic impact study that I'd expect to be ready within the next 3 - 6 months. (I've forgotten the expected time frame.) That study should at least identify issues and concerns.

[Dr. NO]

$4.1M of laundry detergent.....Now everyone go roll around in the mud..I want a nice bonus next quarter.

That an average value of product your company ships daily?

Just out of curiosity are you familiar with the software package used to manage your manufacturing, shipping, sales, and accounting processes. Curious if your company uses an ERP system.

Get with the program, SAP, like it or not.

[XtremeJibber2001]

$4.1M of laundry detergent.....Now everyone go roll around in the mud..I want a nice bonus next quarter.

That an average value of product your company ships daily?

Just out of curiosity are you familiar with the software package used to manage your manufacturing, shipping, sales, and accounting processes. Curious if your company uses an ERP system.

Get with the program, SAP, like it or not.

ERP = Enterprise Resource Planning.

SAP, Oracle, etc. are ERP's.

Get with it Doc!

Now you've got me interested, however. I'm in the business of helping companies like it. Time to PM you!

[SPORE]

$4.1M of laundry detergent.....Now everyone go roll around in the mud..I want a nice bonus next quarter.

That an average value of product your company ships daily?

Just out of curiosity are you familiar with the software package used to manage your manufacturing, shipping, sales, and accounting processes. Curious if your company uses an ERP system.

Get with the program, SAP, like it or not.

ERP = Enterprise Resource Planning.

SAP, Oracle, etc. are ERP's.

Get with it Doc! :D

Now you've got me interested, however. I'm in the business of helping companies like it. Time to PM you!

We use SAP.

That is an average value that my division of the company ships daily, there are about 7 or so categories.