Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Marc Shepherd wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
Really? Even without operating in May, Killington's season was as long as, or longer than, about 98 percent of Northeast ski areas. On top of that, Killington has numerous advantages that, taken in totality, few others can match (location, size, terrain, climate, access).

So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Marc Shepherd wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
Really? Even without operating in May, Killington's season was as long as, or longer than, about 98 percent of Northeast ski areas. On top of that, Killington has numerous advantages that, taken in totality, few others can match (location, size, terrain, climate, access).

So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?
The "first to open, last to close", "skiing until Memorial Day and sometimes into June", was one of the keys to the Killington brand. It set the tone for the whole season and sent the message that Killington would always have snow and plenty of it. Skiing late season was their visible commitment to snowmaking. People would come early and late, or hear about it, and think Killington first. That's how Killington was built and how they eventually got to a million skier visits.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Nevada West wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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How to make Killington better?


Get rid of PwderPuff
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Askier wrote:How to make Killington better?


Get rid of PwderPuff
That's what everyone was saying about ASC too. Be careful what you ask for.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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There are two ways to answer this.

The way you revitalize the town is with a 7 month ski season.

The way you revitalize KSRP is to get the people to show up midweek. The weekend and holiday business isn't broken. A big slice of the problem is pricing. $77 for a midweek day ticket isn't competitive. Food and beverage should be priced differently midweek. You have to market and promote the midweek business.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Bubba wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
Really? Even without operating in May, Killington's season was as long as, or longer than, about 98 percent of Northeast ski areas. On top of that, Killington has numerous advantages that, taken in totality, few others can match (location, size, terrain, climate, access).

So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?
The "first to open, last to close", "skiing until Memorial Day and sometimes into June", was one of the keys to the Killington brand. It set the tone for the whole season and sent the message that Killington would always have snow and plenty of it. Skiing late season was their visible commitment to snowmaking. People would come early and late, or hear about it, and think Killington first. That's how Killington was built and how they eventually got to a million skier visits.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Marc Shepherd wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
Really? Even without operating in May, Killington's season was as long as, or longer than, about 98 percent of Northeast ski areas. On top of that, Killington has numerous advantages that, taken in totality, few others can match (location, size, terrain, climate, access).

So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?
Well Marc, if you think that K has so much more to offer compared to the other eastern ski areas then HOCUM' more skiers don't know about it and visit K more often? Instead they visit those inferior other areas which seem to have had another winter better than K/Powdr? The only answer must be that the other areas have better MARKETING. Or maybe better snowmaking or lifts or...nah, it's marketing

And opening FIRST and closing LAST would be a good marketing program in and of itself, instead of braying that K is the Beast they could quietly say, "We open first and we close last, 'nuff said". . A pretty easy sell---why even a caveman could do it.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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chewbacca wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
andyzee wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
Dr. NO wrote: "Killington, skiing from early November to Memorial Day, sometimes into June"

that would be a good start.
Can someone please educate me on this?

By the time Killington closed, there were only about 3 resorts in the Northeast still open. A week later, there were zero. Therefore, the failure to remain open till Memorial Day cannot be Killington's sole problem, or even its main problem, since nobody in the Eastern time zone remained open past the last weekend in April.
And that's what set Killington apart from the rest.
Really? Even without operating in May, Killington's season was as long as, or longer than, about 98 percent of Northeast ski areas. On top of that, Killington has numerous advantages that, taken in totality, few others can match (location, size, terrain, climate, access).

So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?
Well Marc, if you think that K has so much more to offer compared to the other eastern ski areas then HOCUM' more skiers don't know about it and visit K more often? Instead they visit those inferior other areas which seem to have had another winter better than K/Powdr? The only answer must be that the other areas have better MARKETING. Or maybe better snowmaking or lifts or...nah, it's marketing

And opening FIRST and closing LAST would be a good marketing program in and of itself, instead of braying that K is the Beast they could quietly say, "We open first and we close last, 'nuff said". . A pretty easy sell---why even a caveman could do it.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Your not gonna get the longest season in the east like we used to under Pres. Smith.
Deal with it, its all run by and with business decisions to maximize money, not who has bragging rites of first to open and close...
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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Marc Shepherd wrote:
So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?

The early november riding and riding memorial day weekend and into june sometimes is what first brought me to Killington. Its also what brought all my buddies and anyone that I have taught to ride over the years.....
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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BoozeTan wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?

The early november riding and riding memorial day weekend and into june sometimes is what first brought me to Killington. Its also what brought all my buddies and anyone that I have taught to ride over the years.....
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It also created the value proposition that had me pick Killington for a season pass and a house share.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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BoozeTan wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?

The early november riding and riding memorial day weekend and into june sometimes is what first brought me to Killington. Its also what brought all my buddies and anyone that I have taught to ride over the years.....

Ya and when I started coming here, gas was $1 a gallon.

Times changes based on many factors, economics being the main one.

Just isn't enough money in it to justify those opening/closing.

If there were, the original owners would still be here or ASC would still be in business.
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Re: Top 10 Ways to Revitalize Killington

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SnoBrdr wrote:
BoozeTan wrote:
Marc Shepherd wrote:
So I'm asking a sincere question. How could the length of the season be the main problem?

The early november riding and riding memorial day weekend and into june sometimes is what first brought me to Killington. Its also what brought all my buddies and anyone that I have taught to ride over the years.....

Ya and when I started coming here, gas was $1 a gallon.

Times changes based on many factors, economics being the main one.

Just isn't enough money in it to justify those opening/closing.

If there were, the original owners would still be here or ASC would still be in business.
Which brings us right back to the "why do they open for Mtn Biking then" argument...

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