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Re: Killington Pride weekend

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f.a.s.t. wrote: I live in the real world, not in the world of scholarly debate of 101 law so I'm sorry I lack any knowledge about legal reasoning and the nature of legal precedents.
Don't apologize. Just don't talk about SCOTUS precedent as if you knew what you were talking about, because you clearly don't.
f.a.s.t. wrote: I trust Justice Scalia's minority opinion that the 5-4 ruling will make it easier for judges in states to legislate from the bench and declare that marriage defined as between one man and one woman is unconstitutional.
So instead of understanding and reading the majority opinion, you prefer to trust what Scalia's minority opinion says about the majority opinion? Nice. What a fantasy world. Why don't just trust what Scalia says always? When he's in the majority, trust him. When he's in the minority, forget about the majority and trust Scalia as well. Might as well be a court of 1, as far as you're concerned. What a joke.
f.a.s.t. wrote: The courts are being stacked with far left radical liberal judges so they can force their beliefs upon society. Why do think there's such a push for Harry Reid to do away with Senate rules for the confirmation of judges to the Washington Circuit Court of Appeals, it's so they can stack this most important court with radical judges that will rule legislation unconstitutional if they don't agree with it.
A majority of the members of the Supreme Court have been republican appointees for decades. In case you forgot how to count, it still is. Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito were all appointed by republicans. That's 5, which is more than half of 9. This means that every so-called "liberal" SCOTUS decision needs the vote of at least one republican appointed justice.
f.a.s.t. wrote:So here's something else that they might teach in 101 law, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth; radical judges are legislating from the bench and to hell with any one that disagrees with them.
You don't even know what legislating from the bench means. Say you have a law that states that "there shall be no vehicles in the park", is it judicial legislation to conclude that a "motorized wheelchair" is not a "vehicle" within the meaning of the statute? I'm sure you have no idea. And you have no idea because "judicial legislation" is a buzz word. All judges "legislate" judicially, because adjudication is not a mechanical enterprise. The text of a law is open ended and susceptible of differing interpretations. If law weren't open ended, we wouldn't need judges. An algorithm could give you the answer to all legal questions. Does it do violence to a provision stating that "no state shall violate the equal protection of the laws" to conclude that state laws prohibiting same sex couples from marrying violates equal protection? Surely it doesn't. Perhaps it's unwise to strike down the state law, or immoral or whatnot. But it's not "judicial legislation" in any pejorative sense. It's adjudication. And adjudication of constitutional issues is almost always "judicial legislation" because the constitutional text is deliberately vague and imprecise. Scalia "judicially legislates" all the time. For a clear example, see Crawford v. Washington, 541 U.S. 36 (2004). The real difference is not between judicial legislation and non-judicial legislation, it's between conservative judicial legislation and liberal judicial legislation. So-called originalist theories of constitutional meaning (like the ones that Scalia and Thomas advocate for) do not solve the problem of judicial legislation because (1) the original meaning of many constitutional provisions is deeply contested, and (2) most constitutional provisions are vague enough to not supply by themselves the right answer to a legal question. Therefore, Scalia, Thomas and the rest must make choices regarding constitutional meaning. Those choices will be controversial. They also amount to "legislation", because they hold something to be law that was not clearly law before. It's also unavoidable. It's more complicated, but that's enough for current purposes. Hope you learned something from this.
f.a.s.t. wrote: Afterall, Chief Justice Marshall ruled all the way back in 1803 that the Court has the power of judicial review. It alone can decide what the Constitution meant and and find unconstitutional and unenforceable a law or action not in agreement with it. The Supreme Court will have the last word, not you, me, or anyone including legislative bodies, to hell with legislation. Judges and lawyers know best and they alone are the only ones capable of reasoning and setting legal precedents, everone else needs to stay out of the way.
Who knows what your point is with this. But since you agree here that the Supreme Court has the last word, not you or me....let me just point out to you once more that a MAJORITY of the SCOTUS has the last word, not Scalia. And what the Supreme Court majority held in Windsor was that DOMA was unconstitutional, not that states cannot define marriage as between a man and a woman. Just man-up and admit you don't know what you're talking about.
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John Lennon is my sort of guy. Since it seems only religious people have a problem with marriage being redefined to encompass gays, I laugh at their tradition. I denounce religion when it creates divides. You may have your beliefs, but I don't think a church (a political institution...if you ever studied the history of Christianity...or theology in general) has any place in this day and age to guide morals. Live in the dark ages, it won't bother me, I am hetero and I can get married and not be judged. However for our gay brothers and sisters I witness continual hatred and intolerance from "open minded heteros". And good for you if all you experiance are people who are allys or neutral, I dare you to go speak to someone who is more in line with groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and not want to shake your head at their intolerance.

Being tolerant of intolerance is how injustice prevails.

I hope my rants poke buttons. I don't lose sleep at night over it because I wasn't born and raised by narrow minded prejudiced people.

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I hope my rants poke buttons. I don't lose sleep at night over it because I wasn't born and raised by narrow minded prejudiced people.
You probably need to grow up a bit. I disagree with most of the worlds religions anti-gay positions (Muslims being the worst by far) but I believe they are more based on religions desire to grow and expand their congregations and gays do not serve that purpose as they do not produce children. I see it as a practical matter of future sustainability for them. I tolerate their views but I do not accept them. Also, we are talking about a really small % of the overall population. Catholics simply define gays as "sinners". They tolerate them. There is no obligation to embrace and accept any one of the myriad human behaviors that exist among private people and institutions. Sometimes you need to live and let live when it comes to peoples various closely held beliefs. About 15-20% of the population believes the craziest things. 51% of Democrats do not know the earth revolves around the sun and that it takes about 1 year. When it comes to violence there is no disagreement it is illegitimate and already illegal and not in need of any special laws. Most people want to be left alone and do not care what you do if it does not directly infringe on them.

Here is just a sample of the "crazy" things people believe:

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A Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey conducted last year examined the percentage of Americans who believe in conspiracy theories while accounting for their political affiliations.

“Even crazy conspiracy theories are subject to partisan polarization, especially when there are political overtones involved,” said Dean Debnam, president of PPP. “But most Americans reject the wackier ideas out there about fake moon landings and shape-shifting lizards.”

Most, but not all. Below, we explore the 10 craziest conspiracies that prevail in our skeptical culture.

1. A New World Order – 28% (87,895,931 Believers)

More than a quarter of Americans believe that a secret society of powerful elites have hatched and embarked on a plan to launch a full-scale, global takeover. These conspiring individuals plan to install an authoritarian world government using their abundant influence and ample resources, breaking down national barriers.

This theory has inspired some interesting spinoff conspiracies, while incorporating other more enduring ideations, including global takeover campaigns plotted by the Freemasons, Illuminati, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Fourth Reich.

One of the more interesting spinoffs is known as “Project Blue Beam,” a theory first popularized by journalist Serge Monast, who mysteriously died of a heart attack within weeks of another journalist who was also exploring Project Blue Beam at the time. It is reported that “neither had a history of heart disease.” Eerie…

Project Blue Beam is supposedly a NASA/Illuminati collaborative effort to “implement a new age religion with the Antichrist as its head.” The theory suggests that without first establishing a universal belief in a new age religion, the New World Order cannot succeed.

In order to compel people to follow this new Antichrist figure anointed by NASA’s top brass, the conspirers have already engineered earthquakes and faked various scientific discoveries. Eventually, they will launch a gigantic “space show” using holographic images projected into the sky by lasers, accompanied by three-dimensional sounds to convince the masses that God is speaking to them.

If the voice of God isn’t enough to compel people to subservience, the government will use electronically augmented two-way communication relying on ELF, VLF and LF waves that will broadcast the voice of God straight to the minds of an unsuspecting public.

Better grab your tinfoil hats.

While 28 percent of people believe in the New World Order conspiracy, another 22 percent have yet to make up their minds on it. That means that a full 50 percent of the population considers the idea to be plausible.

God bless America.
2. President Barack Obama is the Antichrist – 13% (40,808,825 Believers)

This theory has a bit of a political edge to it. In total, 13 percent of respondents stated their belief that President Obama is undeniably the Antichrist, while an additional 13 percent of respondents waffled on the issue.

The divide between Republicans and Democrats on the question is interesting to note. Of those who believe that the President is the Antichrist, 38 percent identified themselves as conservative, while 17 percent considered themselves liberal.

Apparently, these Republicans can’t be satiated by arguments disparaging Obama’s job performance. They need him to be the spawn of Satan, as well.
3. Lizard People Run Our World’s Governments – 4% (12,556,562 Believers)

Yes, you read that correctly. A segment of our citizenry, larger than the entire population of Ohio, believes that “shape-shifting reptilian people control our world by taking on human form and gaining political power to manipulate our societies.” An additional seven percent of the population thinks the theory has some merit, but hasn’t made up their minds one way or another.

I’ll allow you a moment to process this information.

For those skeptics out there, there’s plenty of proof abound online. Just this week, more evidence surfaced that suggests Justin Bieber is actually a shape-shifting lizard himself. Actually, it would explain a lot if he were.
4. The Sinister Reasons behind Fluoride in Our Tap Water – 9% (28,252,264 Believers)

“The government needs to stay the hell out of my water,” goes the rallying cry of this mistrustful bunch.

Nearly one in 10 Americans believe that “the government adds fluoride to our water supply, not for dental health reasons, but for other, more sinister reasons.” I can’t help but wish there was a follow-up question asking participants to elaborate on these “sinister reasons.”

Does the government plan to turn us into a communist-fighting, army of zombies that strikes fear in our adversaries by flashing sets of pearly-white teeth? Is fluoride secretly a cancer-causing agent that is being disseminated to the masses to control population growth?

So many unanswered questions.
5. The Government Uses Television to Control Your Mind – 15% (47,087,106 Believers)

I always knew there was something nefarious about “I Love Lucy.”

Fifteen percent of Americans believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” with an additional 15 percent unsure either way.

The theory comes from a series of experiments conducted by Herbert Krugman in 1969 that examined the effect of television on an individual’s brainwaves. According to the Truthstream Media:

“Krugman monitored a person through many trials and found that in less than one minute of television viewing, the person’s brainwaves switched from Beta waves — brainwaves associated with active, logical thought — to primarily Alpha waves. When the subject stopped watching television and began reading a magazine, the brainwaves reverted to Beta waves.”

Truthstream uses Krugman’s findings to suggest that “the time may come when the mass media may create special programs to help people modify certain attitudes or behavior… this means that passively learned material has an important ‘advantage’ which some have also associated with so called subliminal perception, extrasensory perception, or hypnotism.”

Perhaps it’s time that I start picking up a book, instead of the remote.
6. The Medical and Pharmaceutical Industries Invent New Diseases to Grow Profits – 15% (47,087,106 Believers)

We can’t be sure if there’s any correlation between the 47 million people who believe in television mind control and the 47 million who believe that “the pharmaceutical industry is in league with the medical industry to ‘invent’ new diseases in order to make money,” but it sure is a strange coincidence…

Apparently, Pfizer and the Cleveland Clinic aren’t concerned with making the world healthier, but are, rather, engaged in a massive conspiracy to perpetuate the new cycles of disease and cash in on the results.

Who ever heard of restless legs syndrome before Big Pharma rose to prominence? Those diabolical lab techs at Johnson & Johnson must be behind this growing epidemic.
7. The CIA Distributed Crack to Inner Cities – 14% (43,947,966 Believers)

In doing my best Kanye West impression, “Ronald Reagan and the CIA don’t care about black people.”

A healthy chunk of Americans – 15 percent beyond a doubt with another 30 percent who think it is conceivable – believe that “the CIA was instrumental in distributing crack cocaine into America’s inner cities in the 1980s.”

This belief grew from a 1996 three-part series of articles by the San Jose Mercury News concerning the crack cocaine epidemic and the Nicaraguan Contra Army, titled “Dark Alliance: The Story Behind the Crack Explosion.”

The article suggested that “the CIA and other agencies of the United States government were responsible for the crack epidemic that ravaged black communities across the country,” and that the “government had protected (Nicaraguan drug traffickers who funneled money to the Contra army’s war effort) from prosecution and either knowingly permitted them to peddle massive quantities of cocaine to the black residents of South Central Los Angeles or turned a blind eye to such activity.”

Mercury News later denied making these allegations in the article, according to a review of the incident conducted by the Justice Department.

But who can trust the Justice Department, another arm of the distrustful government, to maintain impartiality in matters like this? Sigh.
8. Airplane Exhaust Contrails Are Actually Dangerous Chemicals Sprayed Into the Sky by the Government – 5% (15,695,702 Believers)

Thirteen percent of Americans either fully believe or are willing to consider the possibility that “the exhaust seen in the sky behind airplanes is actually chemicals sprayed by the government for sinister reasons.”

Better grab a quality gas mask. The government is apparently injecting our air with some hazardous materials. It’s so obvious. The government is using airplanes to accelerate global warming so as to usher in an apocalyptic age and coerce us to embrace their New World Order. The more I delve into these conspiracies, the more they start to make sense.

Maybe I should wrap this up soon.
9. Bigfoot is Real – 14% (43,947,966 Believers)

This is a classic. Couldn’t pen an article about conspiracy theories without throwing in something about Bigfoot.

Only 72 percent of the American public shuns the idea that Bigfoot might be real. The remaining 18 percent still hold onto the hope that the elusive hairy giant is our yet-unconfirmed missing evolutionary link.

The idea resonates with mainstream audiences. So much so that Spike TV now airs a show called “10 Million Dollar Bigfoot Bounty,” where participants hunt for definitive proof of the creature’s existence in order to win a multimillion-dollar prize.
10. Osama Bin Laden is Still Alive and Kicking – 6% (18,834,842 Believers)

Apparently, Seal Team 6 failed to put a bullet into the world’s most notorious terrorist’s skull — well, according to six percent of the population, anyway.

An additional 11 percent is willing to consider the idea that the 9/11 mastermind is still toiling away in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or at a Rotary Club event in Colorado.

These truth-seeking Americans won’t be satisfied until we see a body. Where’s the proof, Obama? What happened to those “photographs” of the body?
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Re: Killington Pride weekend

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I can tell that not many here have been out of the "norm" in society, and you guys have no clue what you are talking about. Did you know 99% of statistics are made up? :beat

I don't need to grow up. I won't chastize any one in public if they are intolerant unless they do so directly to one of my gay friends, in front of me.

I am a dreamer and like to imagine a world of peace. no religion. different political structures. Dreamers change the world. People stuck in the box of "status quo" bring more misery on the lives of others. And for those who think I am some wack job democrat, you assume too much. You don't need to embrace gays, just don't go into a public forum with hate speech and expect everyone to "tolerate" it. I 100% believe in small government and the idea of the motto "don't tread on me". And if anyone has a problem with dreamers, well all I have to say is its sad to see someone give up on dreaming. Its sad to see people get stuck in boxes. Life is about growth. I hope I grow to be more tolerant of others, for Life is one massive learning experience, and to me that is what being 'open minded' is all about. :bang :Toast

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Re: Killington Pride weekend

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Oh my god shut up already. I'm so tired of idiots jumping on the gay rights bandwagon. You got your gay marriage now shut up and be like the rest of us. It's insane how trendy people can be. Don't even think you're being "original" because all you're being is a trendy poser. I wan't people to be happy and if that means being gay then fine, shut up and enjoy life. Some people just love hearing themselves talk.
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Respect, please. Didn't you all see 'Retha on the BET honors show?

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This topic went off the rails a few pages ago ... amusing and bewildering
What other resort celebrates rainbows with a circus ? :shock:

Perhaps we lobby a Straight Pride Weekend :like
That's an event that many would proudly support.

YMCA chorus at the Pickle ... who'd a thunk it.

*Think snow*

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Re: Killington Pride weekend

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Ragged#1 wrote:You got your gay marriage now shut up
Actually, less than half the states in the U.S. currently allow gay marriage, and we now know that it is most certainly defined by the states. Why are the homophobes here so factually challenged? Maybe that is how they became homophobes in the first place?
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Re: Killington Pride weekend

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skiersleft wrote:
f.a.s.t. wrote: I live in the real world, not in the world of scholarly debate of 101 law so I'm sorry I lack any knowledge about legal reasoning and the nature of legal precedents.
Don't apologize. Just don't talk about SCOTUS precedent as if you knew what you were talking about, because you clearly don't.



Sorry skiersleft, I don't have time for law school. However, tens of millions of Americans including those that did go law school feel that it's a bad ruling. Don't be so mean to me, you might hurt my feelings and I'll have to get a judge to rule against you and make you pay me a lot of money.

So, let me ask you: do you agree with the Judge in Massachusetts that ordered the State to pay for a sex change operation for a convicted murderer, forcing the cost upon the taxpayers (hundred's of thousands of dollars)? Shouldn't a decision like this be left to the legislature and not a single judge? Keep in mind that this topic is mostly about LGBT rights being forced upon society on a daily basis by courts, politicians, activist and the media.
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f.a.s.t. wrote:
skiersleft wrote:
f.a.s.t. wrote: I live in the real world, not in the world of scholarly debate of 101 law so I'm sorry I lack any knowledge about legal reasoning and the nature of legal precedents.
Don't apologize. Just don't talk about SCOTUS precedent as if you knew what you were talking about, because you clearly don't.



Sorry skiersleft, I don't have time for law school. However, tens of millions of Americans including those that did go law school feel that it's a bad ruling. Don't be so mean to me, you might hurt my feelings and I'll have to get a judge to rule against you and make you pay me a lot of money.

So, let me ask you: do you agree with the Judge in Massachusetts that ordered the State to pay for a sex change operation for a convicted murderer, forcing the cost upon the taxpayers (hundred's of thousands of dollars)? Shouldn't a decision like this be left to the legislature and not a single judge? Keep in mind that this topic is mostly about LGBT rights being forced upon society on a daily basis by courts, politicians, activist and the media.
Just leave it along dude. You already look stupid enough.
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ATTN: Admins...

Please rename the author of this thread to Richard Simmons.

Really sorry that I started this and it ended up into the political zone.
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I heard a caller put a spin on the Michael Sams issue that I had never thought of before. Made me ponder it. I had always wondered why it was such a big deal to have the gay man on the NFL team. Here's what I hadn't thought about: The showers...

The caller put it like this: OK if you (as a straight man) had the chance to shower with a bunch of naked women that were in excellent physical shape, wouldn't you love that? And don't you think you'd get aroused in that situation? Well put yourself on the women's place and how do you think they would feel in that situation?

Interesting...
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