Large condo fire in Killington

[Humpty Dumpty]

You are clearly an ignorant jackass. Get off your ass and volunteer is you want to criticize. All volunteers are required to take the minimum state mandated training. They know what they are doing. It's clearly the lack of water. If there is no hydrant service, then they are reliant on the water the engines carry on board, which is not a lot (500-750 gallons) and then the supplement water from the tankers. They can blow through that supply pretty quickly until the tankers can re-supply enmass. Mutual aid is called immediately. Don't make idiot statements.

Look, Humpty, those are not idiot statements. I left out a lot of details you are not aware of, and I did not make public. I'll be happy to talk to you about what happened, but no, you want to hide behind your keyboard. You want credibility? Show up. Until then you are just the kid in the back heckling.

How much water got on the fire in 45 minutes? Do you know? Where you there? I was. How many tankers were there? What were the issues? I understand it is a volunteer department, but that doesn't make it immune from a need to improve.

Looking at the equipment list on the Fire Department web page, the water carried on the 2 pumpers are 1200 and 1800 gallons. There is no tanker listed. Given the size and neighborhood of last night's fire, and the size of other buildings in town, should Killington have its own tanker?

You want credibility? This particular Humpty, as well as two others Humps that post, are volunteer fireman. This Hump has been doing it for 20 years. Welcome to rural America. You don't just ring the doorbell and ask for mutual aid to show up within five minutes. It doesn't happen that way. Rural structures burn to the ground all the time. Check your insurance rating for fire protection. In this case, it was an obvious surround and drown while trying to keep the exposures from conflagration.

So in closing, shut the fvck up. They did the best they could with the resources at hand. If you want them to improve, make the commitment yourself jackass. It's up to around 140 hours of initial training. http://www.volunteerfd.org/become-a-vol ... irefighter.

I think I will let my Dalmatian bone you in the ass next time he sees you. He's horny for the ignorant.

Fire Marshall Bill, out.

Let me tell you something....................

[steamboat1]

Are the condo complexes at K required to have a sprinkler system in every room? I know at our place down in Pittsford we were required to put one in several years ago at a substantial cost.

[brownman]

Landon Wheeler slackin' on Fire Marshall responsibilities

[freeski]

I was a volunteer in southern Maine for a couple of years. It is more densely populated and if there was a mutual aid call you'd have 100 firefighters there pretty quick, quick enough so nothing ever burned to the ground. I guess it's different in Rural VT. Not trying to come across as Joe Firefighter because I'm not. I did fight 3 structure fires. I was never certified to go inside while they were burning. I was on a ladder with a hose spraying foam once when I had absolutely no training. It's a rush.

[Big Bob]

Killington has very few year round residents. My town, which has a little over 4000 has had trouble staffing it's volunteer force, especially during working hours since we are a bedroom community. We now have a full time chief and 2 firefighters/ EMT's as paid daytime positions. Killington has the opposite problem. During the day the resort staff swells, but shrinks at night. I remember reading once where some of the resort staff volunteer as firefighters for the town during the day, I do not know if this still holds true. A friend of mine said Rutland Town and Rutland city responded for mutual aid. These are towns , as Killington is in Rutland county. I do not know if closer towns in Windsor County such as Bridgewater or Plymouth also responded.

[SnoBrdr]

Are the condo complexes at K required to have a sprinkler system in every room? I know at our place down in Pittsford we were required to put one in several years ago at a substantial cost.

No.

[steamboat1]

Are the condo complexes at K required to have a sprinkler system in every room? I know at our place down in Pittsford we were required to put one in several years ago at a substantial cost.

No.

Well they should. We even had to put in a second water line to the house dedicated for just the sprinkler system. We also have the Y connection outside for the fire department to hook up to.

[SnoBrdr]

Are the condo complexes at K required to have a sprinkler system in every room? I know at our place down in Pittsford we were required to put one in several years ago at a substantial cost.

No.

Well they should. We even had to put in a second water line to the house dedicated for just the sprinkler system. We also have the Y connection outside for the fire department to hook up to.

K should do a LOT of things that they don't. Can't even imagine what it would cost for ours.

I know we got rig of all the wood burning fireplaces years ago, just because of the fires they had at Mt. Green.

[steamboat1]

K should do a LOT of things that they don't. Can't even imagine what it would cost for ours.

I know we got rig of all the wood burning fireplaces years ago, just because of the fires they had at Mt. Green.

Actually it's not up to K to install sprinkler systems. They could do it voluntarily but why if they're not forced to. It was the local Fire Marshall for Rutland County who forced us to install ours. This was only 2 or 3 years ago. Why they haven't done the same for the condo's & lodges at K is beyond me. We still have 2 working fireplaces in our house with 3 others that have been closed off but that had nothing to do with having to install the sprinkler system. I think our cost for installing the system was around $18 grand.

[SnoBrdr]

K should do a LOT of things that they don't. Can't even imagine what it would cost for ours.

I know we got rig of all the wood burning fireplaces years ago, just because of the fires they had at Mt. Green.

Actually it's not up to K to install sprinkler systems. They could do it voluntarily but why if they're not forced to. It was the local Fire Marshall for Rutland County who forced us to install ours. This was only 2 or 3 years ago. Why they haven't done the same for the condo's & lodges at K is beyond me. We still have 2 working fireplaces in our house with 3 others that have been closed off but that had nothing to do with having to install the sprinkler system. I think our cost for installing the system was around $18 grand.

They did that here where I live, RI, after the Station nightclub fired that killed 100 people.

A lot of mom & pop businesses couldn't afford it and just closed up.

I don't understand how the Cty. Fire Marshall could force you to install a system but not force everyone else.

[Finn]

FYI Freeskier you do not even ski Killington every week. You mentioned you live in a city, so I assume that it is a paid fire department. I live in a city with a full-time paid fire department down country on the weekdays.

Folks remember[
b] Killington is a rural area [/b]not a city that has a full time paid fire department.
Killington's fire department is a volunteer one. Also they do get alot of training in fire fighting and medical emergencies.
Like any fire department they do training and practice exercises in case of big fires or major car accidents.

Killington Town Houses may have been built before sprinklers were required, so I am guessing that did not have a sprinkler system.
Most of the newer buildings are required to have sprinklers.
Also I do not think that many of the homes in k town have sprinkler systems.

The main problem is getting WATER. Most of the homes in town get water from well systems. A few places might have dry hydrants but I do not think there are any fire hydrants with water readily available. So water tankers need to be brought in. They needed lots of water to fight this fire.
I think it was 10F out at the time of the fire and in the middle of the night. Also the fire hoses do get frozen when it is cold just like in the big cities.
The firemen do the best they can. Mutual aid is always called if it is a big fire.

Hopefully all new K developments, condos and older hotels will be have to have a sprinkler system installed in case of a big fire.


For those ready to criticize K's volunteer fire departments response tot his then it is YOUR TIME TO STEP UP AND VOLUNTEER.

[HelmetCam]

So in closing, shut the fvck up. They did the best they could with the resources at hand. If you want them to improve, make the commitment yourself jackass. It's up to around 140 hours of initial training. http://www.volunteerfd.org/become-a-vol ... irefighter.

For those ready to criticize K's volunteer fire departments response tot his then it is YOUR TIME TO STEP UP AND VOLUNTEER.

Get a room you two!

[Woodsrider]

The chimney design at Mt Green is poor and back draft on windy days is very common. I don't know if that is a fire hazard but it smokes the place out pretty often and the fire department gets called. When they get called, they come fast and furious. Numerous trucks from multiple towns show up in a matter of minutes. Whether they have enough water to put out a real fire, I don't know. But I am always impressed with how quickly they respond and in such large numbers.

[SnoBrdr]

The chimney design at Mt Green is poor and back draft on windy days is very common. I don't know if that is a fire hazard but it smokes the place out pretty often and the fire department gets called. When they get called, they come fast and furious. Numerous trucks from multiple towns show up in a matter of minutes. Whether they have enough water to put out a real fire, I don't know. But I am always impressed with how quickly they respond and in such large numbers.

The problem that got our association to switch was when some renters at MT. G. put the fireplace ashes in a dumpster in the underground garage.

[Finn]

Helment Cam......
K's volunteer fire department meets on Tuesday night's. New volunteers are always welcome.
So you can just show up at the fire department and tell them how you feel, since you seem to have too much to say about everything.