Science Rant, Not politics: Can CO2 cause "Climate Change?"

[freeski]

I don't believe in bigfoot because there are no credible pictures. I don't believe in climate change because there's no credible proof. Can I plant tomatoes earlier than in the 70's ... nope. This was predicted to happen fast...nothing.

Yep, just like evolution, absolutely no credible proof - at least if you choose to ignore all the credible proof. But belief in a virgin birth or resurrection of a dead body, we don't need no stinking proof.

Evolution is a scientific fact. For the record, I don't believe in ghosts, goblins or gods and I like r*in. Also, haven't smoked pot in 8 years (thought I'd throw that in because I come across as a pothead on here).

[Bubba]

Meanwhile, folks keep working on new technology to solve our energy and environmental issues once and for all.

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[freeski]

So someone else is working on fusion? This changes everything. Obama seems to be traveling on private jets. We'll have to keep a lot of cars from idling to make up for that.

Also, no global warming in Concord it's cold.

[doofus]

It is intriguing to harness the power of fusion but it is a fallacy to say that the energy available is limitless. Fusion is catabolic and all stars consume their resources and die out.

[Sgt Eddy Brewers]

It is intriguing to harness the power of fusion but it is a fallacy to say that the energy available is limitless. Fusion is catabolic and all stars consume their resources and die out.

Yeah...not catabolic...
the set of metabolic pathways that breaks down molecules into smaller units that are either oxidized to release energy, or used in other anabolic reactions...

but irreversible might be the better title...eveything obeys the second law (we assume)

So we could run out??

Well not in any practical sense. The amount of energy unleashed in fusion reactions per gram of "reagent" is stunning. So if we can get fusion functional....there are no sane non-infinite limits to what we could do.

[freeski]

From 30F with snow to 90F in a few days. What the hells going on Oh, never mind it's spring.

[madhatter]

From 30F with snow to 90F in a few days. What the hells going on Oh, never mind it's spring.

localized global warming...

[Sgt Eddy Brewers]

From 30F with snow to 90F in a few days. What the hells going on Oh, never mind it's spring.

localized global warming...

Yeah... that's why they invented the phrase "climate disruption" so that every time the weather gets the least bit interesting the bed-wetters can announce " See!! Just as we predicted...

CLIMATE DISRUPTION!!"

That could be: more r*in / less r*in /more snow / less snow / a hot day in spring / a cold day in summer....etc

All the Grubers somehow forget that events outside the "average" have happened frequently since the beginning of time. In fact what we call average is usually made up from LOTS of days well above the average and LOTS of days well below the average which only generate through a mathematical algorithm the illusion that average means usual. Most days are usually (significantly?) above average or below.

The term "climate disruption" is the only mark of genius ( albeit marketing genius) I can detect in the entirety of "climate science." Every day, somewhere on planet earth you can find some "unusual" weather event. (they ignore the truth that what they label "unusual weather" has always been a common event on planet earth) To Grubers this validates the consensus hypothesis.

Brilliant!!

[Coydog]

Evolution is a scientific fact. For the record, I don't believe in ghosts, goblins or gods and I like r*in.

Evolution is a scientific consensus that some do not accept. You seem to agree with the consensus view, but plenty of private and public schools teach intelligent design and/or creationism.

[Mister Moose]

Evolution is a scientific fact. For the record, I don't believe in ghosts, goblins or gods and I like r*in.

Evolution is a scientific consensus that some do not accept. You seem to agree with the consensus view, but plenty of private and public schools teach intelligent design and/or creationism.

Left vs right. Polar vs rectangular. Ski vs board. Moguls vs groomed. Apple vs Microsoft. Teach people both and let them decide for themselves. It's not that hard. Why must we all be Apple?


And just exactly what is a "scientific consensus"?

[Coydog]

Evolution is a scientific fact. For the record, I don't believe in ghosts, goblins or gods and I like r*in.

Evolution is a scientific consensus that some do not accept. You seem to agree with the consensus view, but plenty of private and public schools teach intelligent design and/or creationism.

Left vs right. Polar vs rectangular. Ski vs board. Moguls vs groomed. Apple vs Microsoft. Teach people both and let them decide for themselves. It's not that hard. Why must we all be Apple?

Flat earth vs spheroid. Astrology vs Astronomy. Alchemy vs Chemistry. Spontaneous generation vs biology. Hollow earth vs liquid core.

Teach it all and let the people decide!

[Mister Moose]

Flat earth vs spheroid. Astrology vs Astronomy. Alchemy vs Chemistry. Spontaneous generation vs biology. Hollow earth vs liquid core.

Teach it all and let the people decide!

And yet somehow you seem to be aware of both sides of all the issues you just listed. Were you taught the existence of any of these in grade school? And all of the cases you cited illustrate the achievement of increased knowledge to bring about verifiable repeatable observations. For instance, a photo of the earth from 50,000 miles up is quite convincing to those that wonder about the shape of the earth.

Again, just exactly what is a "scientific consensus"?

[Coydog]

Flat earth vs spheroid. Astrology vs Astronomy. Alchemy vs Chemistry. Spontaneous generation vs biology. Hollow earth vs liquid core.

Teach it all and let the people decide!

And yet somehow you seem to be aware of both sides of all the issues you just listed. Were you taught the existence of any of these in grade school? I was taught that people can and do believe all kinds of crazy sh*t, but thankfully spared the gory details And all of the cases you cited illustrate the achievement of increased knowledge to bring about verifiable repeatable observations. For instance, a photo of the earth from 50,000 miles up is quite convincing to those that wonder about the shape of the earth. Yeah, but not all, see International Flat Earth Society

Again, just exactly what is a "scientific consensus"? What do you imagine it means?

[rogman]

And just exactly what is a "scientific consensus"?

I don't know, maybe it looks something like this?
Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

[Mister Moose]

And just exactly what is a "scientific consensus"?

I don't know, maybe it looks something like this?

Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
American Academy of Pediatrics
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So you're going to bolster your argument on what soil scientists, pediatricians, Iranians, Bangladeshians, mechanical engineers, and piano tuners think? There are numerous worthwhile institutions on that list, but the far greater majority takes away from the import of the list. Someone felt the need to stretch. Just exactly how well educated in climate science are pediatricians? Or mechanical engineers? Or zookeepers?

And somehow a consensus that includes them should increase the gravity of their conclusions? That this represents a scientific consensus?