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madhatter wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Most simply ... I can't understand why we seek a wall in lieu of desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform. This reform should include strengthening our borders, process/fine for people already here illegally, process/controls for folks overstaying their VISAs, managing families/children in our custody, etc.
The border is nearly 3000 miles long. Some of it has natural barriers so no need to add more. Other areas people walk, drive or swim unimpeded on the majority of the border. The wall, partition or what ever you wish to call it just adds another barrier to limit illegal crossings. Not all will be stopped, but more will. Why should we not enforce tough immigration laws already in place? No papers, go home (not in USA) and go proper channels to obtain ID and papers. Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
yep the wall is but one part of a comprehensive plan...not "in lieu of"...where did you get that idea anyway? not sure why there is such opposition to funding a wall that was already approved? oh wait...TDS...there's no logical reason to oppose it otherwise...it's a proven deterrent that greatly assists border patrol in doing their job...does it stop 100% ? probably not but most will seek to cross elsewhere ( including legal ports of entry) or be apprehended......maybe we should run power transmission cables across the face of it and call it infrastructure...
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Most simply ... I can't understand why we seek a wall in lieu of desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform. This reform should include strengthening our borders, process/fine for people already here illegally, process/controls for folks overstaying their VISAs, managing families/children in our custody, etc.
The border is nearly 3000 miles long. Some of it has natural barriers so no need to add more. Other areas people walk, drive or swim unimpeded on the majority of the border. The wall, partition or what ever you wish to call it just adds another barrier to limit illegal crossings. Not all will be stopped, but more will. Why should we not enforce tough immigration laws already in place? No papers, go home (not in USA) and go proper channels to obtain ID and papers. Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
yep the wall is but one part of a comprehensive plan...not "in lieu of"...where did you get that idea anyway? not sure why there is such opposition to funding a wall that was already approved? oh wait...TDS...there's no logical reason to oppose it otherwise...it's a proven deterrent that greatly assists border patrol in doing their job...does it stop 100% ? probably not but most will seek to cross elsewhere ( including legal ports of entry) or be apprehended......maybe we should run power transmission cables across the face of it and call it infrastructure...
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
no you got that idea from CNN....or you either made it up or failed to comprehend...5.7B is for a wall, 40.6 billion USD is the annual DHS budget...no one ever said 5.7 billion was for anything else but a section of wall...it's up to congress to pass a comprehensive bill...that bill should include 5.7 billion dollars for a wall if congress wants it to be signed by POTUS...
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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Most simply ... I can't understand why we seek a wall in lieu of desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform. This reform should include strengthening our borders, process/fine for people already here illegally, process/controls for folks overstaying their VISAs, managing families/children in our custody, etc.
The border is nearly 3000 miles long. Some of it has natural barriers so no need to add more. Other areas people walk, drive or swim unimpeded on the majority of the border. The wall, partition or what ever you wish to call it just adds another barrier to limit illegal crossings. Not all will be stopped, but more will. Why should we not enforce tough immigration laws already in place? No papers, go home (not in USA) and go proper channels to obtain ID and papers. Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
yep the wall is but one part of a comprehensive plan...not "in lieu of"...where did you get that idea anyway? not sure why there is such opposition to funding a wall that was already approved? oh wait...TDS...there's no logical reason to oppose it otherwise...it's a proven deterrent that greatly assists border patrol in doing their job...does it stop 100% ? probably not but most will seek to cross elsewhere ( including legal ports of entry) or be apprehended......maybe we should run power transmission cables across the face of it and call it infrastructure...
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
no you got that idea from CNN....or you either made it up or failed to comprehend...5.7B is for a wall, 40.6 billion USD is the annual DHS budget...no one ever said 5.7 billion was for anything else but a section of wall...it's up to congress to pass a comprehensive bill...that bill should include 5.7 billion dollars for a wall if congress wants it to be signed by POTUS...
We're saying the same exact thing. POTUS is seeking a wall, nothing else.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
The border is nearly 3000 miles long. Some of it has natural barriers so no need to add more. Other areas people walk, drive or swim unimpeded on the majority of the border. The wall, partition or what ever you wish to call it just adds another barrier to limit illegal crossings. Not all will be stopped, but more will. Why should we not enforce tough immigration laws already in place? No papers, go home (not in USA) and go proper channels to obtain ID and papers. Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
yep the wall is but one part of a comprehensive plan...not "in lieu of"...where did you get that idea anyway? not sure why there is such opposition to funding a wall that was already approved? oh wait...TDS...there's no logical reason to oppose it otherwise...it's a proven deterrent that greatly assists border patrol in doing their job...does it stop 100% ? probably not but most will seek to cross elsewhere ( including legal ports of entry) or be apprehended......maybe we should run power transmission cables across the face of it and call it infrastructure...
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
no you got that idea from CNN....or you either made it up or failed to comprehend...5.7B is for a wall, 40.6 billion USD is the annual DHS budget...no one ever said 5.7 billion was for anything else but a section of wall...it's up to congress to pass a comprehensive bill...that bill should include 5.7 billion dollars for a wall if congress wants it to be signed by POTUS...
We're saying the same exact thing. POTUS is seeking a wall, nothing else.
WRONG. we are not saying the same thing...you keep repeating the same thing as if that makes it real....potus is seeking a comprehensive reform bill from congress that includes 5.7B for a section of wall, it's not "in lieu" of anything...a permanent resolution on DACA, increased border patrol, drones, add'l surveillance etc may also be a part of a bill that he would sign...he's been asking for that bill since 2017, so far there hasn't been a bill...
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Most simply ... I can't understand why we seek a wall in lieu of desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform. This reform should include strengthening our borders, process/fine for people already here illegally, process/controls for folks overstaying their VISAs, managing families/children in our custody, etc.
Easy answer. Trump isn't interested in fixing the problem, he's interested in drumming up political support for himself. Grandstanding about a wall does that quite well for him. Just see some of the comments above.

A little cursory research will tell you that a wall is an increadibly expensive endeavor that won't be very effective at addressing the problem. See the post above regarding how so much of illegal immigration is the result of overstaying a visa. There are many other ways around a wall. In short, the wall that Trump proposes is a waste of money. It will divert resources from things that actually can help solve the problem.

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"From our CBS News instant poll here following the president's State of the Union, 76% of speech watchers said they approved of what they heard. 72% said they approved of the president's ideas for immigration. But there were some controversial ideas there," Glor reported Tuesday night.

guess those people heard more than "nothing but wall"...comprehension issue? TDS? you tell me...


and it's not like it's never been said before here's an article discussing then president -elect donald trump
President-Elect Trump's Stance on Immigration
President-elect Donald J. Trump's immigration plan is based on three core principles: that the U.S. must build a wall across the southern border, that current immigration laws must be fully enforced, and that the interests of American citizens must be put first. In crafting his plan, Trump sought advice from true immigration reformer Senator Jeff Sessions, Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest.

FAIR disclaimer: Since securing the GOP nomination in late July, Trump has made a series of remarks that suggest he is open to changing his original positions on several immigration issues, including amnesty. However, his rhetoric has been extremely contradictory, raising serious questions about what he would actually do if elected.

The Issues:
Amnesty
Amnesty is not immigration reform. The 1986 amnesty granted legal status to 3 million illegal aliens. It did not end illegal immigration, but encouraged more. Today, our illegal alien population is approximately 12 million.

While his published plan does not explicitly mention it, Trump and his surrogates have repeatedly called for a form of “touchback amnesty,” in which illegal aliens are deported and those without criminal records are allowed to quickly return to the country legally. In an interview with CNN, Trump stated that he would “get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.” It is worth noting that the idea of “touchback amnesty” was once championed by Trump’s running mate, Indiana Governor Mike Pence. Ten years ago, while still a member of Congress, Pence said, “The only way to deal with these twelve million people is to insist that they leave the country and come back legally if they have a job awaiting them.” It is unclear, however, what form of status Trump-Pence would reward these illegal aliens with: citizenship; legal status with no path to citizenship; or nonimmigrant temporary visa.

Legal Immigration
The U.S. currently admits over one million legal permanent residents every year—the equivalent of adding a city the size of Dallas, Texas annually. Because mass immigration has such a significant impact on our lives, experts have long urged the federal government to adopt reasonable limits on immigration. FAIR believes that a sustainable level of immigration is no more than 300,000 annually.

In his plan, Trump notes that “the influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage.” Trump calls for a “pause” in the issuance of green cards during which “employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers.” According to Trump, “this will help reverse women’s plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.” Trump would also increase the prevailing wage for H-1B visas to “force companies to give coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.” He would also institute a requirement for companies to hire American workers first, as “many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement.” Finally, he vows to end birthright citizenship, welfare abuse by legal immigrants, and the J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth. The J-1 visa program would then be “replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth.” While his plan takes a tough-stance against legal immigration, Trump – who has admitted to using the H-1B program as an employer – continues to waver. “I’m changing. I’m changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in,” he said in a debate last March. “I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.”

National Security
The ability of the 9/11 hijackers to enter and remain in the U.S. undetected underscores that immigration law — the regulation of who enters our country, under what conditions, and for what length of time — is an integral aspect of national security policy. It is essential that our nation’s law enforcement agencies develop and implement the infrastructure and technology that will further secure U.S. borders along with new methods for screening and admitting aliens to the country.

Weeks after the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris last November, Trump called for a complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. Trump stated, "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.” However, Trump has since pivoted away from a blanket ban on Muslims to a new policy of stopping immigration "from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism.” He has also specifically addressed the need to stop admitting Syrian refugees into the country, stating "We don't know who they are. They have no documentation and we don't know what they're planning." After initially rejecting a blanket ban on Muslims last December, Governor Pence indicated he is “very supportive” of his running mate’s call to suspend immigration from terror states. This stance does not come as a surprise, as Pence repeatedly attempted to stop Syrian refugee resettlement in Indiana.

Border Security
A fundamental step to solving our illegal immigration problem and ensuring our national security is to secure the borders and ports of entry. Until sufficient resources, infrastructure, and manpower are placed at the border, these problems will persist.

The first core principle of Trump’s plan is to build a wall along the U.S. southern border, supposedly to be paid for by Mexico because “they are responsible for this [border security] problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.” Until Mexico pays for the wall, a Trump administration would seek to “impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages, increase visa fees for Mexican CEOs and diplomats, increase fees for border crossing cards, increase fees for NAFTA worker visas, and increase fees at ports of entry to the U.S. from Mexico.” It is worth noting that Mexico’s president has said that his country would not cooperate with Trump’s plan.

Interior Enforcement
There is an overwhelming consensus that most illegal aliens come to the U.S. for economic reasons, which makes worksite and interior enforcement programs a vital step toward true immigration reform. These programs must be renewed and expanded in order to guarantee a legal workforce, protect American workers, and restore the rule of law.

On the campaign trail, Trump has repeatedly vowed to deport the 11 million people living in the country illegally. However, in off-the-record talks with the New York Times, Trump admitted that this is only a starting point for negotiations and he might not deport illegal aliens as promised. While his official immigration plan does not offer any specifics on mass deportation, it does call for increased interior enforcement. He would triple the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers to “enforce immigration law against the 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States.” He would also end the harmful “catch-and-release” policy and return all criminal aliens to their home countries. To protect American lives, he would seek to defund dangerous sanctuary city jurisdictions by “cutting off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.” Regarding workplace enforcement, Trump would institute nationwide E-Verify to “protect jobs for unemployed Americans.” Finally, he would institute enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa and ensure completion of a visa tracking system.

Benefits to Illegal Aliens
Granting benefits to illegal aliens uses taxpayer dollars to reward illegal behavior and only serves to encourage more illegal immigration. With the exception of emergency medical care, illegal aliens are ineligible for most federally administered benefits. However, the Obama Administration’s deferred action and parole policies have made those illegal aliens eligible for taxpayer-funded benefits such as Social Security and Medicare.

According to Trump, “the costs [of illegal immigration] for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc.” In his plan, Trump stresses the importance of a border wall in reducing the financial burden of illegal immigration on taxpayers. “The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices,” he says. Trump goes on to say that he will readily “accept the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments” to illegal aliens. Additionally, Trump pledges to end welfare abuse by legal immigrants, requiring them “to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare, and other needs before coming to the U.S.”

here's more proposals including to how to go about making mexico pay for the wall...

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IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap
labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more
than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy
globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration
system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here
are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the
southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our
Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any
immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States
by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country
(as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published
pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the
United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up
hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare
costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal
immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also
been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have
been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go
on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal
immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a
64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer,
raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood
trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3
million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of
thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but
also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal
immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the
cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it
up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what
American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal
immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among
other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase
fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if
necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we
issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa
overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major
source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from
Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken
advantage of anymore.
Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives
according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will
return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have
stolen from them:
· Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’
Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers
and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration
mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately
10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico
and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million
illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S.
Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm,
Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same
size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector
General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal
immigrants.
· Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed
Americans.
· Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has
released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013
alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process
which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not
accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to
commit an offense while here illegally.
· Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the
border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
· Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to
cooperate with federal law enforcement.
· Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the
United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is
a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa
expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local
jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities
arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by
lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
· Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany
local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and
the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs
should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers
and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
(DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an
illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back
into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies,
who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be
required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and
prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to
engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be
required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions,
DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or
local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
· End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal
immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry
Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children
of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our
middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30%
of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school
diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960,
compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults
in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS
news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If
the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is
developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and
makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants
themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all
immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including
more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit
another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents,
growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million
immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in
order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the
middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our
immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on
causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many
others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the
immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become
the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
· Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more
Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as
two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B
program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest
allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the
prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entrylevel jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant
workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will
improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who
have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal
Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and
minorities.
· Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans
outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the
domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the
unemployment office, not USCIS.
· End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be
required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other
needs before coming to the U.S.
· Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign
youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth
provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
· Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the
admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the
monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children
without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety
in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
· Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign
workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the
domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help
reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow
record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
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00:00:09
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE READ I APPRECIATE IT. AND GOOD AFTERNOON. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REGARDING THE CRISIS ON...

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WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHILDREN?

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WE ARE WORKING ON A SYSTEM WHERE THEY STAY TOGETHER. BY DOING THAT IN TREMENDOUS NUMBERS, UNDER THE OBAMA PLAN, YOU COULD SEPARATE CHILDREN. NOBODY TALKS...

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I HOPE NOT. I HOPE THERE WON'T BE. ANYBODY THROWING STONES, ROCKS, LIKE THEY DID TO THE MEXICAN MILITARY. POLICE AND SOLDIERS OF MEXICO. WE WILL CONSIDER...

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HOW IS THIS PLAN GOING TO [INDISCERNIBLE]

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THIS IS LEGAL. THIS IS TOTALLY LEGAL. WE ARE STOPPING PEOPLE AT THE BORDER. THIS IS AN INVASION.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELEASE. YOU CAN HOLD. YOU NEED MASSIVE FACILITIES. OTHER COUNTRIES SAY SORRY, YOU CANNOT COME IN. WITH US, WE TAKE THEIR NAMES, PHONE...

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELEASE THEM.

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WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FACILITIES TO HOLD THEM [INDISCERNIBLE]

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE WILL BE DOING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER NEXT WEEK.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IT WILL BE QUITE COMPREHENSIVE.

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TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE SPEAKING OF IN A TENT, A FAMILY UNIT --

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so willful ignorance or just plain ol' ignorance? or does this rise to the level of TDS?

he's certainly had a lot more to say than build a wall and he's never said build a wall, only a wall and nothing else...that's all you XJ...
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Will a wall keep out folks from Costa Rica? Asking for a friend.

"@realdonaldtrump’s Bedminster golf course employed so many undocumented immigrants that there’s an entire town in Costa Rica built on Trump paychecks.
We found it. “My whole town practically lived there,” one said of the Trump course."

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Kpdemello wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Most simply ... I can't understand why we seek a wall in lieu of desperately needed comprehensive immigration reform. This reform should include strengthening our borders, process/fine for people already here illegally, process/controls for folks overstaying their VISAs, managing families/children in our custody, etc.
Easy answer. Trump isn't interested in fixing the problem, he's interested in drumming up political support for himself. Grandstanding about a wall does that quite well for him. Just see some of the comments above.

A little cursory research will tell you that a wall is an increadibly expensive endeavor that won't be very effective at addressing the problem. See the post above regarding how so much of illegal immigration is the result of overstaying a visa. There are many other ways around a wall. In short, the wall that Trump proposes is a waste of money. It will divert resources from things that actually can help solve the problem.

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really? simple logic tells you that a wall is a tremendous impediment to crossing a border...it's also cheaper and more effective than live patrols or add'l security... ( see EVERY prison)walls can be augmented with add'l security, but in and of themselves they provide a formidable deterrent making it easier for fewer agents to protect more border...they prevent, slow or deter crossings...they create fewer easily cross-able areas and thus establish choke points which make it easier for border agents to predict illegal crossings and intercept them...some ( very few) may attempt to climb or tunnel under walls but those are far slower methods than simply walking across an open border completely unfettered...it's ridiculous to argue otherwise...
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Dr. NO wrote:Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
One thing I agree with is that people born here shouldn't automatically become citizens unless one or the other parent is a citizen. Unfortunately, that requires a Constitutional amendment, and good luck getting one passed in this political climate.

As to Trump, it's clear the wall is the cross he wants to die on. He's not really pushing any other form of immigration reform, even though Congress has seemed open to it. On the other hand, he shut the government down over his wall.
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MarieM wrote:Will a wall keep out folks from Costa Rica? Asking for a friend.

"@realdonaldtrump’s Bedminster golf course employed so many undocumented immigrants that there’s an entire town in Costa Rica built on Trump paychecks.
We found it. “My whole town practically lived there,” one said of the Trump course."

https://thehill.com/latino/429136-more- ... ort-during" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
another dimwitted argument...seems it's the only kind you are capable of "parroting"

but to answer your question only if they are seeking to enter the country illegally via the mexican border...same as any other person regardless of where they come from...

are you advocating for stricter forms of ID to prevent illegals from being hired? I'm all for that....pretty sure trump is too...we can even use that ID for voting so no one is denied their right to vote...
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Kpdemello wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:Those born here to non USA citizens should go to the appropriate embassy or other office to attempt to register. Nobody should have free access without documentation .
One thing I agree with is that people born here shouldn't automatically become citizens unless one or the other parent is a citizen. Unfortunately, that requires a Constitutional amendment, and good luck getting one passed in this political climate.actually it probably only requires re-litigation of who "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." pertains to...

https://www.14thamendment.us/birthright ... ntent.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Original intent of the 14th Amendment
The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is another term).

The United States did not limit immigration in 1868 when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified. Thus there were, by definition, no illegal immigrants and the issue of citizenship for children of those here in violation of the law was nonexistent. Granting of automatic citizenship to children of illegal alien mothers is a recent and totally inadvertent and unforeseen result of the amendment and the Reconstructionist period in which it was ratified.

Free! Post-Civil War reforms focused on injustices to African Americans. The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. It was written in a manner so as to prevent state governments from ever denying citizenship to blacks born in the United States. But in 1868, the United States had no formal immigration policy, and the authors therefore saw no need to address immigration explicitly in the amendment.

Senator Jacob Howard worked closely with Abraham Lincoln in drafting and passing the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery. He also served on the Senate Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.

Supreme Court decisions
The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court appropriately confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called "Slaughter-House cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]13. In the 1884 Elk v.Wilkins case12, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."

The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens.

Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.

In 1898, the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case10,11, 16 once again, in a ruling based strictly on the 14th Amendment, concluded that the status of the parents was crucial in determining the citizenship of the child. The current misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment is based in part upon the presumption that the Wong Kim Ark ruling encompassed illegal aliens. In fact, it did not address the children of illegal aliens and non-immigrant aliens, but rather determined an allegiance for legal immigrant parents based on the meaning of the word domicil(e). Since it is inconceivable that illegal alien parents could have a legal domicile in the United States, the ruling clearly did not extend birthright citizenship to children of illegal alien parents. Indeed, the ruling strengthened the original intent of the 14th Amendment.

The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law and obtaining citizenship for their offspring, nor obtaining benefits at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be between 300,000 and 700,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965. (See consequences.)

American citizens must be wary of elected politicians voting to illegally extend our generous social benefits to illegal aliens and other criminals.







As to Trump, it's clear the wall is the cross he wants to die on. or the cross D's in congress want to die on we'll see how it works out...He's not really pushing any other form of immigration reform, even though Congress has seemed open to it. you live in an alternative universe...trump has offered concessions on DACA, less wall money etc as well as compromises on other issues and has been met with #resist from D's...we'll see how that works out for them as according to CBS 72% of those who watched the SOTU approved of his immigration ideas...( which you somehow imagine as build a wall and only a wall and nothing else, guess ya gotta do what they tell you...)On the other hand, he shut the government down over his wall.well technically the House failed to fund the gov which caused a small portion of it to "shut down"...but in any case few noticed, jobless claims still went down, jobs went up and the vast majority of the country wasn't affected in any way shape or form ...
he is and has since before he took office. you are ignoring it....willfully or not...that's the only question....it's posted right here on Kzone, you don't even have to go look for it, yet you still insist it doesn't exist...
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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:yep the wall is but one part of a comprehensive plan...not "in lieu of"...where did you get that idea anyway? not sure why there is such opposition to funding a wall that was already approved? oh wait...TDS...there's no logical reason to oppose it otherwise...it's a proven deterrent that greatly assists border patrol in doing their job...does it stop 100% ? probably not but most will seek to cross elsewhere ( including legal ports of entry) or be apprehended......maybe we should run power transmission cables across the face of it and call it infrastructure...
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
no you got that idea from CNN....or you either made it up or failed to comprehend...5.7B is for a wall, 40.6 billion USD is the annual DHS budget...no one ever said 5.7 billion was for anything else but a section of wall...it's up to congress to pass a comprehensive bill...that bill should include 5.7 billion dollars for a wall if congress wants it to be signed by POTUS...
We're saying the same exact thing. POTUS is seeking a wall, nothing else.
WRONG. we are not saying the same thing...you keep repeating the same thing as if that makes it real....potus is seeking a comprehensive reform bill from congress that includes 5.7B for a section of wall, it's not "in lieu" of anything...a permanent resolution on DACA, increased border patrol, drones, add'l surveillance etc may also be a part of a bill that he would sign...he's been asking for that bill since 2017, so far there hasn't been a bill...
Again, these are all wall-focused initiatives. There's nothing comprehensive about it. The majority of illegal immigrants come here through our airports on VISA. Also, there's nothing here addressing what will be done with the current folks here illegally. Reminder to what you posted the other day, emphasis added to those that are not part of Trump's plan ... we know this because your post was Obama's speech, not Trumps.
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I just met with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus today, which Congresswoman Sanchez is a member of -- (applause) -- to talk about this issue directly. As many of you know, during the campaign I was asked repeatedly about this, and I reiterated my belief that we have to have comprehensive immigration reform.

Now, I know this is an emotional issue, I know it's a controversial issue, I know that the people get real riled up politically about this, but -- but ultimately, here's what I believe: We are a nation of immigrants, number one.

Number two, we do have to have control of our borders. Number three, that people who have been here for a long time and put down roots here have to have some mechanism over time to get out of the shadows, because if they stay in the shadows, in the underground economy, then they are oftentimes pitted against American workers.

Since they can't join a union, they can't complain about minimum wages, et cetera, they end up being abused, and that depresses the wages of everybody, all Americans. (Applause.)

So I don't think that we can do this piecemeal. I think what we have to do is to come together and say, we're going to strengthen our borders -- and I'm going to be going to Mexico, I'm going to be working with President Calderón in Mexico to figure out how do we get control over the border that's become more violent because of the drug trade.

We have to combine that with cracking down on employers who are exploiting undocumented workers. (Applause.) We have to make sure that there's a verification system to find out whether somebody is legally able to work here or not. But we have to make sure that that verification system does not discriminate just because you've got a Hispanic last name or your last name is Obama. (Laughter.)

You've got to -- and then you've got to say to the undocumented workers, you have to say, look, you've broken the law; you didn't come here the way you were supposed to. So this is not going to be a free ride. It's not going to be some instant amnesty. What's going to happen is you are going to pay a significant fine. You are going to learn English. (Applause.)

You are going to -- you are going to go to the back of the line so that you don't get ahead of somebody who was in Mexico City applying legally. (Applause.) But after you've done these things over a certain period of time you can earn your citizenship, so that it's not -- it's not something that is guaranteed or automatic. You've got to earn it. But over time you give people an opportunity.

Now, it only works though if you do all the pieces. I think the American people, they appreciate and believe in immigration. But they can't have a situation where you just have half a million people pouring over the border without any kind of mechanism to control it.

So we've got to deal with that at the same time as we deal in a humane fashion with folks who are putting down roots here, have become our neighbors, have become our friends, they may have children who are U.S. citizens. (Applause.) That's the kind of comprehensive approach that we have to take. All right. Okay. (Applause.)
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Got that idea from POTUS. He's seeking ~$5B for 215 miles of wall. If the money includes comprehensive immigration reform, this is the first I'm hearing about it.
no you got that idea from CNN....or you either made it up or failed to comprehend...5.7B is for a wall, 40.6 billion USD is the annual DHS budget...no one ever said 5.7 billion was for anything else but a section of wall...it's up to congress to pass a comprehensive bill...that bill should include 5.7 billion dollars for a wall if congress wants it to be signed by POTUS...
We're saying the same exact thing. POTUS is seeking a wall, nothing else.
WRONG. we are not saying the same thing...you keep repeating the same thing as if that makes it real....potus is seeking a comprehensive reform bill from congress that includes 5.7B for a section of wall, it's not "in lieu" of anything...a permanent resolution on DACA, increased border patrol, drones, add'l surveillance etc may also be a part of a bill that he would sign...he's been asking for that bill since 2017, so far there hasn't been a bill...
Again, these are all wall-focused initiatives. There's nothing comprehensive about it. The majority of illegal immigrants come here through our airports on VISA.as if that negates the number who come here across illegally across the southern border....he also addresses that in the form of enhanced VISA verification and stiffer penalties for overstays... Also, there's nothing here addressing what will be done with the current folks here illegally. actually there is, see touchback amnesty, he actually offers a much faster track than obama suggests...no D's have taken him up on that as far as I can tell...#RESISTReminder to what you posted the other day, emphasis added to those that are not part of Trump's plan actually they all are, he has suggested touchback amnesty, reformations to Hi-b visas, mandatory E-verify, I bold/huge/red them below so you can continue to ignore them anyway...... I guess trump didn't threaten them with a substantial fine or insist they learn English or get in the back of the line, otherwise I think he covered the clown's list and then some......... we know this because your post was Obama's speech, not Trumps.
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I just met with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus today, which Congresswoman Sanchez is a member of -- (applause) -- to talk about this issue directly. As many of you know, during the campaign I was asked repeatedly about this, and I reiterated my belief that we have to have comprehensive immigration reform.

Now, I know this is an emotional issue, I know it's a controversial issue, I know that the people get real riled up politically about this, but -- but ultimately, here's what I believe: We are a nation of immigrants, number one.

Number two, we do have to have control of our borders. Number three, that people who have been here for a long time and put down roots here have to have some mechanism over time to get out of the shadows, because if they stay in the shadows, in the underground economy, then they are oftentimes pitted against American workers.

Since they can't join a union, they can't complain about minimum wages, et cetera, they end up being abused, and that depresses the wages of everybody, all Americans. (Applause.)

So I don't think that we can do this piecemeal. I think what we have to do is to come together and say, we're going to strengthen our borders -- and I'm going to be going to Mexico, I'm going to be working with President Calderón in Mexico to figure out how do we get control over the border that's become more violent because of the drug trade.

We have to combine that with cracking down on employers who are exploiting undocumented workers. (Applause.) We have to make sure that there's a verification system to find out whether somebody is legally able to work here or not. But we have to make sure that that verification system does not discriminate just because you've got a Hispanic last name or your last name is Obama. (Laughter.)

You've got to -- and then you've got to say to the undocumented workers, you have to say, look, you've broken the law; you didn't come here the way you were supposed to. So this is not going to be a free ride. It's not going to be some instant amnesty. What's going to happen is you are going to pay a significant fine. You are going to learn English. (Applause.)

You are going to -- you are going to go to the back of the line so that you don't get ahead of somebody who was in Mexico City applying legally. (Applause.) But after you've done these things over a certain period of time you can earn your citizenship, so that it's not -- it's not something that is guaranteed or automatic. You've got to earn it. But over time you give people an opportunity.

Now, it only works though if you do all the pieces. I think the American people, they appreciate and believe in immigration. But they can't have a situation where you just have half a million people pouring over the border without any kind of mechanism to control it.

So we've got to deal with that at the same time as we deal in a humane fashion with folks who are putting down roots here, have become our neighbors, have become our friends, they may have children who are U.S. citizens. (Applause.) That's the kind of comprehensive approach that we have to take. All right. Okay. (Applause.)

guess ya finally took the time to read it and yes it was from obama, who "did none of those things"

secondly here's what trump has said...

madhatter wrote:https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ideas.html
"From our CBS News instant poll here following the president's State of the Union, 76% of speech watchers said they approved of what they heard. 72% said they approved of the president's ideas for immigration. But there were some controversial ideas there," Glor reported Tuesday night.



guess those people heard more than "nothing but wall"...comprehension issue? TDS? you tell me...



and it's not like it's never been said before here's an article discussing then president -elect donald trump
President-Elect Trump's Stance on Immigration
President-elect Donald J. Trump's immigration plan is based on three core principles: that the U.S. must build a wall across the southern border, that current immigration laws must be fully enforced, and that the interests of American citizens must be put first. In crafting his plan, Trump sought advice from true immigration reformer Senator Jeff Sessions, Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest.

FAIR disclaimer: Since securing the GOP nomination in late July, Trump has made a series of remarks that suggest he is open to changing his original positions on several immigration issues, including amnesty. However, his rhetoric has been extremely contradictory, raising serious questions about what he would actually do if elected.

The Issues:
Amnesty
Amnesty is not immigration reform. The 1986 amnesty granted legal status to 3 million illegal aliens. It did not end illegal immigration, but encouraged more. Today, our illegal alien population is approximately 12 million.

While his published plan does not explicitly mention it, Trump and his surrogates have repeatedly called for a form of “touchback amnesty,” in which illegal aliens are deported and those without criminal records are allowed to quickly return to the country legally. In an interview with CNN, Trump stated that he would “get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.” It is worth noting that the idea of “touchback amnesty” was once championed by Trump’s running mate, Indiana Governor Mike Pence. Ten years ago, while still a member of Congress, Pence said, “The only way to deal with these twelve million people is to insist that they leave the country and come back legally if they have a job awaiting them.” It is unclear, however, what form of status Trump-Pence would reward these illegal aliens with: citizenship; legal status with no path to citizenship; or nonimmigrant temporary visa.

Legal Immigration
The U.S. currently admits over one million legal permanent residents every year—the equivalent of adding a city the size of Dallas, Texas annually. Because mass immigration has such a significant impact on our lives, experts have long urged the federal government to adopt reasonable limits on immigration. FAIR believes that a sustainable level of immigration is no more than 300,000 annually.

In his plan, Trump notes that “the influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage.” Trump calls for a “pause” in the issuance of green cards during which “employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers.” According to Trump, “this will help reverse women’s plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.” Trump would also increase the prevailing wage for H-1B visas to “force companies to give coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.” He would also institute a requirement for companies to hire American workers first, as “many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement.” Finally, he vows to end birthright citizenship, welfare abuse by legal immigrants, and the J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth. The J-1 visa program would then be “replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth.” While his plan takes a tough-stance against legal immigration, Trump – who has admitted to using the H-1B program as an employer – continues to waver. “I’m changing. I’m changing. We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in,” he said in a debate last March. “I’m softening the position because we have to have talented people in this country.”

National Security
The ability of the 9/11 hijackers to enter and remain in the U.S. undetected underscores that immigration law — the regulation of who enters our country, under what conditions, and for what length of time — is an integral aspect of national security policy. It is essential that our nation’s law enforcement agencies develop and implement the infrastructure and technology that will further secure U.S. borders along with new methods for screening and admitting aliens to the country.

Weeks after the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris last November, Trump called for a complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States. Trump stated, "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.” However, Trump has since pivoted away from a blanket ban on Muslims to a new policy of stopping immigration "from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism.” He has also specifically addressed the need to stop admitting Syrian refugees into the country, stating "We don't know who they are. They have no documentation and we don't know what they're planning." After initially rejecting a blanket ban on Muslims last December, Governor Pence indicated he is “very supportive” of his running mate’s call to suspend immigration from terror states. This stance does not come as a surprise, as Pence repeatedly attempted to stop Syrian refugee resettlement in Indiana.

Border Security
A fundamental step to solving our illegal immigration problem and ensuring our national security is to secure the borders and ports of entry. Until sufficient resources, infrastructure, and manpower are placed at the border, these problems will persist.

The first core principle of Trump’s plan is to build a wall along the U.S. southern border, supposedly to be paid for by Mexico because “they are responsible for this [border security] problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.” Until Mexico pays for the wall, a Trump administration would seek to “impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages, increase visa fees for Mexican CEOs and diplomats, increase fees for border crossing cards, increase fees for NAFTA worker visas, and increase fees at ports of entry to the U.S. from Mexico.” It is worth noting that Mexico’s president has said that his country would not cooperate with Trump’s plan.

Interior Enforcement
There is an overwhelming consensus that most illegal aliens come to the U.S. for economic reasons, which makes worksite and interior enforcement programs a vital step toward true immigration reform. These programs must be renewed and expanded in order to guarantee a legal workforce, protect American workers, and restore the rule of law.

On the campaign trail, Trump has repeatedly vowed to deport the 11 million people living in the country illegally. However, in off-the-record talks with the New York Times, Trump admitted that this is only a starting point for negotiations and he might not deport illegal aliens as promised. While his official immigration plan does not offer any specifics on mass deportation, it does call for increased interior enforcement. He would triple the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers to “enforce immigration law against the 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States.” He would also end the harmful “catch-and-release” policy and return all criminal aliens to their home countries. To protect American lives, he would seek to defund dangerous sanctuary city jurisdictions by “cutting off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.” Regarding workplace enforcement, Trump would institute nationwide E-Verify to “protect jobs for unemployed Americans.” Finally, he would institute enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa and ensure completion of a visa tracking system.

Benefits to Illegal Aliens
Granting benefits to illegal aliens uses taxpayer dollars to reward illegal behavior and only serves to encourage more illegal immigration. With the exception of emergency medical care, illegal aliens are ineligible for most federally administered benefits. However, the Obama Administration’s deferred action and parole policies have made those illegal aliens eligible for taxpayer-funded benefits such as Social Security and Medicare.

According to Trump, “the costs [of illegal immigration] for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc.” In his plan, Trump stresses the importance of a border wall in reducing the financial burden of illegal immigration on taxpayers. “The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices,” he says. Trump goes on to say that he will readily “accept the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments” to illegal aliens. Additionally, Trump pledges to end welfare abuse by legal immigrants, requiring them “to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare, and other needs before coming to the U.S.”

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IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT
AGAIN
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump’s immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap
labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more
than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy
globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration
system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here
are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the
southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our
Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any
immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States
by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country
(as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published
pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the
United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up
hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare
costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal
immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also
been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have
been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go
on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal
immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a
64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer,
raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood
trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3
million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of
thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but
also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal
immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the
cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it
up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what
American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal
immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among
other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase
fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if
necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we
issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa
overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major
source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from
Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken
advantage of anymore.

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives
according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will
return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have
stolen from them:
· Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’
Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers
and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration
mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately
10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico
and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million
illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S.
Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm,
Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same
size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector
General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal
immigrants.
· Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed
Americans.

· Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has
released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013
alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process
which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not
accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to
commit an offense while here illegally.
· Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the
border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
· Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to
cooperate with federal law enforcement.
· Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the
United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is
a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa
expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local
jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities
arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by
lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

· Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany
local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and
the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs
should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers
and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
(DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an
illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back
into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies,
who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be
required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and
prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to
engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be
required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions,
DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or
local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
· End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal
immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry
Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children
of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our
middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30%
of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school
diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960,
compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults
in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS
news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If
the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is
developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and
makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants
themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all
immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including
more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit
another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents,
growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million
immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in
order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the
middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our
immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on
causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many
others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the
immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become
the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
· Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more
Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as
two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B
program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest
allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the
prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entrylevel jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant
workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will
improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who
have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal
Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and
minorities.
· Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans
outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the
domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the
unemployment office, not USCIS.
· End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be
required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other
needs before coming to the U.S.
· Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign
youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth
provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
· Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the
admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the
monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children
without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety
in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
· Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign
workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the
domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help
reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow
record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
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00:00:09
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE READ I APPRECIATE IT. AND GOOD AFTERNOON. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REGARDING THE CRISIS ON...

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WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHILDREN?

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WE ARE WORKING ON A SYSTEM WHERE THEY STAY TOGETHER. BY DOING THAT IN TREMENDOUS NUMBERS, UNDER THE OBAMA PLAN, YOU COULD SEPARATE CHILDREN. NOBODY TALKS...

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I HOPE NOT. I HOPE THERE WON'T BE. ANYBODY THROWING STONES, ROCKS, LIKE THEY DID TO THE MEXICAN MILITARY. POLICE AND SOLDIERS OF MEXICO. WE WILL CONSIDER...

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HOW IS THIS PLAN GOING TO [INDISCERNIBLE]

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THIS IS LEGAL. THIS IS TOTALLY LEGAL. WE ARE STOPPING PEOPLE AT THE BORDER. THIS IS AN INVASION.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELEASE. YOU CAN HOLD. YOU NEED MASSIVE FACILITIES. OTHER COUNTRIES SAY SORRY, YOU CANNOT COME IN. WITH US, WE TAKE THEIR NAMES, PHONE...

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELEASE THEM.

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WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FACILITIES TO HOLD THEM [INDISCERNIBLE]

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE WILL BE DOING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER NEXT WEEK.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IT WILL BE QUITE COMPREHENSIVE.

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TO CLARIFY, YOU ARE SPEAKING OF IN A TENT, A FAMILY UNIT --

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE ARE HOLDING SO MANY FACILITIES, SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE FACILITIES ARE OVERRUN. THEY ARE BEING OVERRUN. WE ARE PUTTING UP TEMPORARY FACILITIES. PEOPLE...

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WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT [INDISCERNIBLE]

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GO FOR ASYLUM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORDS, NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO STATE WHEN THEY GO TO COURT. THEY WERE USING...

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NATIONAL LAW SAYS PEOPLE WHO HAVE -- HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK ASYLUM.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
PRESIDENT TRUMP: THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO COURT AS CRAZY AS IT SOUNDS. EXCUSE ME. THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO COURT AND A JUDGE IS GOING TO DETERMINE. USUALLY...

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
WE WILL CONSIDER THAT. THE MAXIMUM WE CAN CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE THROWING ROCKS VICIOUSLY AND VIOLENTLY. YOU SAW THAT THREE DAYS AGO. REALLY HURTING...

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Donald J. Trump
SHE IS UNDER VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. SHE IS EXCELLENT. SHE HAS BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME. SHE IS UNDER VERY SERIOUS -- WE WILL MAKE A DECISION NEXT...

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SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING IN GEORGIA -- [INDISCERNIBLE]

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AT THE SAME TIME VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VOTE.

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
THAT WAS THE LAST WEEK OF HER SHOW. OPERA LIKE ME VERY MUCH AND I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED OPERA. THE WOMAN SHE IS SUPPORTING IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE THE GOVERNOR OF...

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CAN WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON ELECTION INTEGRITY?

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
I JUST MET WITH THE FBI AND THE DOJ AND WITH SECRETARY NIELSEN AND THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY ON MAKING SURE EVERYTHING, WITH RESPECT...

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I THINK WE ARE GOING TO DO VERY WELL AND THE ELECTION, I MUST TELL YOU. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RACES, THE SENATE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. I WILL BE IN MISSOURI. I...

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PRESIDENT TRUMP MENTIONING HE IS HEADING TO COLUMBIA, MISSOURI , ONE OF THE NINE STOPS HE WILL MAKE BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION DAY. WE WILL HAVE LIVE...

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so willful ignorance or just plain ol' ignorance? or does this rise to the level of TDS?

he's certainly had a lot more to say than build a wall and he's never said build a wall, only a wall and nothing else...that's all you XJ...
again

is it willful ignorance or just plain ol' ignorance? or does this rise to the level of TDS?

he's certainly had a lot more to say than build a wall and he's never said build a wall, only a wall and nothing else...that's all you XJ...

good god he even addressed EVERY point in obama's speech that you insisted he didn't...and you insisted that AFTER I posted him having addressed them in bold/large but you still failed to notice it so I highlighted it in red for you....you can lead a blind jibber to reality but you can't make him acknowledge it...not much else I can do to help you here...you'll have to sink or swim on your own...

of course it's still up to congress to present a bill...
mach es sehr schnell

'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
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I insisted these things are not part of what POTUS is currently pushing. The govt shutdown was about none of these things ... only the wall. The funding is not about these things ... only the wall.

If the funding was about all of these things, I’d probalby support it. Save for deporting 11 million people ....

Oh and Mexico will never pay for the wall.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:I insisted these things are not part of what POTUS is currently pushing. The govt shutdown was about none of these things ... only the wall. The funding is not about these things ... only the wall.

If the funding was about all of these things, I’d probalby support it. Save for deporting 11 million people ....

Oh and Mexico will never pay for the wall.
you simply refuse to acknowledge reality in favor of your TDS skewed viewpoint...congress needs to present a BILL...they have not yet done that...
mach es sehr schnell

'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
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