Killington Zoning Bylaw Amendment

[noknees]

I installed a water meter on my well so I know how much water (or waste water) I generate. I'm typically less than 1/2 my design capacity.
Weekend loads typically don't include laundry either and many during the winter might only take one shower for the weekend. I assume that helps my waste water numbers too.

[hillbangin]

Unless this isn't really about wastewater capacity.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stormchaser]

2 people per bedroom is just an engineer's assumption so that daily flow can be calculated to size the field when the house is built. Is there any thought given by the Town as to how the flow of 4 people per room for 2 days a week (8 people-days) is somehow more damaging than 2 people in the room for 7 days (14 people-days)? Is that peak flow over only 2 days too large? That's the better question to ask, and the better design criteria to use for short term rental housing. My guess is modern systems designed with excess capacity can usually handle that kind of intermittent peak flow. I think the town needs to hear from several qualified civil engineers and adopt peak residency vs permanent residency criteria. Unless this isn't really about wastewater capacity.

Septic designs are based on average daily flow numbers in a 30+ year old document written predominantly by non-engineers. Most of the numbers are based on worst case scenarios and then doubled. Where I'm from design flows are based on number of bedrooms for residences; 110 gallons per day per bedroom. A bedroom is any room at least 7'x10' and has a closet and a door (again...worst case scenario).

I designed the septic system for my house. My house has 4 "bedrooms" as defined by the septic code. My septic system is designed for 440 gallons per day. My water bill shows that I average about 40 gallons a day on a yearly basis. The regulations force an 11-fold overdesign, but are intended to account for situations where I utilize my entire system, like inviting 40 ski buddies to spend the weekend in my 4 bedroom house...which is permitted by the code.

Where I reside, the Board of Health regulates septic systems, requires pumping reporting, and enforces compliance. Septic breakouts overland are a health hazard and enforceable. Overloads don't necessarily lead to failure, if the system is maintained accordingly. I can't speak to misuse of septic systems in Killington, but I question if many of the systems in question exceed design flows for an average year (the basis for the design) considering off season and times of limited use.

If sewer calculations as above determined sewage fees, everyone would keep their sh*t to themselves because it would be too expensive to dispose. Most sewage bills are based on water usage from your water bill (minus 10% typically). You pay for what you use. Residences and businesses on sewer pay specific amounts for use of the system, based on level of use. Don't confuse one system for the other.

[Guy in Shorts]

Where the affluent meet the effluent comes to mind.

[Humpty Dumpty]

2 people per bedroom is just an engineer's assumption so that daily flow can be calculated to size the field when the house is built. Is there any thought given by the Town as to how the flow of 4 people per room for 2 days a week (8 people-days) is somehow more damaging than 2 people in the room for 7 days (14 people-days)? Is that peak flow over only 2 days too large? That's the better question to ask, and the better design criteria to use for short term rental housing. My guess is modern systems designed with excess capacity can usually handle that kind of intermittent peak flow. I think the town needs to hear from several qualified civil engineers and adopt peak residency vs permanent residency criteria. Unless this isn't really about wastewater capacity.

Septic designs are based on average daily flow numbers in a 30+ year old document written predominantly by non-engineers. Most of the numbers are based on worst case scenarios and then doubled. Where I'm from design flows are based on number of bedrooms for residences; 110 gallons per day per bedroom. A bedroom is any room at least 7'x10' and has a closet and a door (again...worst case scenario).

I designed the septic system for my house. My house has 4 "bedrooms" as defined by the septic code. My septic system is designed for 440 gallons per day. My water bill shows that I average about 40 gallons a day on a yearly basis. The regulations force an 11-fold overdesign, but are intended to account for situations where I utilize my entire system, like inviting 40 ski buddies to spend the weekend in my 4 bedroom house...which is permitted by the code.

Where I reside, the Board of Health regulates septic systems, requires pumping reporting, and enforces compliance. Septic breakouts overland are a health hazard and enforceable. Overloads don't necessarily lead to failure, if the system is maintained accordingly. I can't speak to misuse of septic systems in Killington, but I question if many of the systems in question exceed design flows for an average year (the basis for the design) considering off season and times of limited use.

If sewer calculations as above determined sewage fees, everyone would keep their sh*t to themselves because it would be too expensive to dispose. Most sewage bills are based on water usage from your water bill (minus 10% typically). You pay for what you use. Residences and businesses on sewer pay specific amounts for use of the system, based on level of use. Don't confuse one system for the other.

We men just pee outside. No reason to flush a toilet and waste water.

[GMCrra]

if the town has settled out of court with estabrook, shouldn’t that be made public ?

The selectboard has now voted to issuing zoning letters to 90 owners.

When Stowe realized they had a bunch of zoning violations online they loosened their rules and said it would create a ruckus in town to enforce it on hundreds of homes. They deferred any further regulation to the state.

There are 1200 short term rentals in town when you include those managed by Killington, which aren’t on the rental sites and aren’t counted in the 931. Almost 50% of the 2700 housing units in town.

Two inn owners on the selectboard when this started. hmmmm

[noknees]

So the town has settled with Estabrook?
Any idea on what the 90 additional letters are for?

[Stormchaser]

2 people per bedroom is just an engineer's assumption so that daily flow can be calculated to size the field when the house is built. Is there any thought given by the Town as to how the flow of 4 people per room for 2 days a week (8 people-days) is somehow more damaging than 2 people in the room for 7 days (14 people-days)? Is that peak flow over only 2 days too large? That's the better question to ask, and the better design criteria to use for short term rental housing. My guess is modern systems designed with excess capacity can usually handle that kind of intermittent peak flow. I think the town needs to hear from several qualified civil engineers and adopt peak residency vs permanent residency criteria. Unless this isn't really about wastewater capacity.

Septic designs are based on average daily flow numbers in a 30+ year old document written predominantly by non-engineers. Most of the numbers are based on worst case scenarios and then doubled. Where I'm from design flows are based on number of bedrooms for residences; 110 gallons per day per bedroom. A bedroom is any room at least 7'x10' and has a closet and a door (again...worst case scenario).

I designed the septic system for my house. My house has 4 "bedrooms" as defined by the septic code. My septic system is designed for 440 gallons per day. My water bill shows that I average about 40 gallons a day on a yearly basis. The regulations force an 11-fold overdesign, but are intended to account for situations where I utilize my entire system, like inviting 40 ski buddies to spend the weekend in my 4 bedroom house...which is permitted by the code.

Where I reside, the Board of Health regulates septic systems, requires pumping reporting, and enforces compliance. Septic breakouts overland are a health hazard and enforceable. Overloads don't necessarily lead to failure, if the system is maintained accordingly. I can't speak to misuse of septic systems in Killington, but I question if many of the systems in question exceed design flows for an average year (the basis for the design) considering off season and times of limited use.

If sewer calculations as above determined sewage fees, everyone would keep their sh*t to themselves because it would be too expensive to dispose. Most sewage bills are based on water usage from your water bill (minus 10% typically). You pay for what you use. Residences and businesses on sewer pay specific amounts for use of the system, based on level of use. Don't confuse one system for the other.

We men just pee outside. No reason to flush a toilet and waste water.

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[GMCrra]

Presumably the letter would be for advertised occupancy exceeding 2 per bedroom or wastewater permit.

I don't know if the town settled, but the house being rented long term and placed for sale suggests something happened. It was also posted on FB that it was resolved at a cost of ~$20k to taxpayers. Maybe they paid his legal if he agreed to stop renting.

[yiddle on da fiddle]

Seriously.... do you make this sh*t up as you go along?..read it off tea leaves ?..none..NONE of this ...is even close to correct.

[yiddle on da fiddle]

Home IS for sale. THAT is about all you got right.

[GMCrra]

Are you sure? I was speculating on settlement. Also the environmental court encourages mediation.

But I was at the meeting and they voted to spend $11k to identify homeowners advertising over 2 per bedroom.

[yiddle on da fiddle]

HALF a point here. K voted...to allocate funds for the west coast asshat firm...thatll peruse the'net and try and trap illicit renters. The quote for annual services from this clown show...is "between 11k and 35k"

[GMCrra]

Can you name any other resort towns in VT or around the country that are actually enforcing 2 per bedroom? Many have gone to 2 per bedroom + 2 or + 4 in MA, FL etc.

2 Per bedroom + 2 in addition to hiring a questionable data enforcement firm would result in Killington having among the most harsh and expensive regulations of any resort town in the country.

[Seacoaster]

As it relates to Estabrook, my understanding is that there is no settlement, in fact, the title may not simply "clear" if the house transacts.
As for the plus 2, that is actually outside and against state law, it seemed like a reasonable offering, but I believe it has been rescind, differing to the state law as a result of the petition(the law being 2 occupants per approved Bedroom, essentialy the national standard). In other words, the petition has seemingly set the STR group back from what they could have had. As for the number of Units referenced in Killington, many of them are Condominiums which are exempot from this Amendment as in the state of VT Condominiums are governed under act 250. Act 250 permits are what dictate a units available occupancy, good luck fighting with Montpelier over ACT 250 regulations.