Trump Presidency

[XtremeJibber2001]

Trump is a lot of things. Providential and courageous aren’t the one of them.

Why go to great lengths to make Trump into something he’s not? I guess because it’s hard supporting maybe the worst President in history? I don’t know.

Most my Trump supporting friends and family think he’s a lying jerk, but admit the court and abortion are more important to them than anything else. While I don’t agree with their position, it seems logical why they’re voting the way that they are. They’re also not delusional about who Trump is.

[brownman]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... -media.amp

.. if alive .. likely lead jock on Trump Radio Network ..
may be eligible for FCC licensing on Jan 20.

[easyrider16]

Most my Trump supporting friends and family think he’s a lying jerk, but admit the court and abortion are more important to them than anything else. While I don’t agree with their position, it seems logical why they’re voting the way that they are. They’re also not delusional about who Trump is.

This is at least logical and makes some sense. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. But for the vast majority of supporters it seems more like cult of personality, which I don't really understand because Trump is such a jerk. But I guess If he's a jerk to people you don't like, maybe it makes you feel part of the click, high-school style. Until he turns on you. (see e.g. Cohen, Comey, Mattis, Kelly, et. al.)


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[deadheadskier]

Somewhat lengthy at 17 minutes, so I half listened as I did something else. And then skipped through the next day to a few sections.

This guy is not alt right, he's not a Walmart shopper, I don't think he sounds like a bitter clinger. You might even say he's ... educated.

Listen to why he's strongly for Trump. And if you judge people this way, look at his credentials. He addresses and acknowledges why most here are against Trump, and yet while holding all those faults in his hand, he thinks Trump is a man for our times.

"I know Trump has many faults. I myself sometimes cringe listening to him. Sometimes he is his own worst enemy. He is a braggart, often mis-informed, petty, sometimes even vengeful. And more. And yet, we are very lucky to have him. I am almost prepared to say that having him is providential. How else to explain that we find ourselves with this most unusual, most un-presidential man who has just the attributes most needed for this moment. At any other time, he might well have been a bad president. But in these times, these revolutionary times, he is the best president we could have had.

He has the indispensable attribute of a leader - Courage. As a leader must, he goes where others are afraid to go. And he has common sense, which means he generally wants to go to the right place. Above all else, and above anyone else, Trump is committed to America. He is unreservedly, unquestionably, pro-America. He feels no guilt for America's past. He makes no apologies, he concedes nothing.

... And despite what one hears ad nauseum from the Democrats, Trump is among the least racist Presidents we have ever had.

... I think this election is that important, and I think Trump is that good...."




Results matter.

Even cultists can present the illusion of being intelligent and lack the basic evaluation skills to identify:

Leadership
Hiring skill
Negotiating Ability
Character
Integrity
Honesty
Command of Science,. History and Culture

All of these things are crucial traits for an elected official to have.

Trump is an abject failure in all of these categories if evaluated by anyone with a clue. His results aren't what he tells you to believe. His life failings in virtually everything exceed his success. He'd get fired as a GM of McDonald's

History will look back on his tenure and wonder just how in the hell he got elected and why so many Americans fell hard for one of the world's most obvious con-men.

[Bubba]

Comments about Trump from those who worked in his administration:

Rex Tillerson (former Exxon CEO) as Sec'y of State: "He's a moron", plus “undisciplined” and told CBS News’s Bob Schieffer“ that it was challenging “to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says [what’s on his mind.]”

Gen. John Kelly (form Chief of Staff: Trump "is the most flawed person" he's ever known. "The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,"

John Bolton (former National Security Advisor: Bolton calls him “erratic,” “stunningly uninformed,” and “unfit for office,”

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

[deadheadskier]

Stay classy Y'all Qaeda Trumpers

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/democra ... s-on-i-35/

[XtremeJibber2001]

Stay classy Y'all Qaeda Trumpers

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/democra ... s-on-i-35/

Some video. Totally rational behavior.

https://twitter.com/NurseNinaPA/status/ ... 85312?s=20

[deadheadskier]

Remember all the times conservatives complained about leftist protestors blocking bridges and highways? And claiming the right would never do such a thing?

Uh huh

https://youtu.be/fygOviXxnB0

[easyrider16]

Normally I wouldn't hold a politician responsible for the acts of nutty fringe supporters, but in this case Trump not only encouraged this behavior [his supporters trying to run Biden off the road in Texas], he bragged about it at a rally. That makes him culpable. Anyone who votes for this man should be ashamed to support such behavior.

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[daytripper]

Seemed like a peaceful protest to me, why is it bad? Wasn't a problem when BLM was doing it on the Brooklyn bridge. To be perfectly clear I think anyone stopping traffic for reasons outside of an emergency should be arrested. It's just funny how it was ok when BLM was doing it.

[easyrider16]

Seemed like a peaceful protest to me, why is it bad? Wasn't a problem when BLM was doing it on the Brooklyn bridge. To be perfectly clear I think anyone stopping traffic for reasons outside of an emergency should be arrested. It's just funny how it was ok when BLM was doing it.

Sorry, I was referring to the Trump supporters who tried to run the Biden bus off the road in Texas. I'm not crazy about protestors blocking traffic regardless of cause.

[boston_e]

Comments about Trump from those who worked in his administration:

Rex Tillerson (former Exxon CEO) as Sec'y of State: "He's a moron", plus “undisciplined” and told CBS News’s Bob Schieffer“ that it was challenging “to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says [what’s on his mind.]”

Gen. John Kelly (form Chief of Staff: Trump "is the most flawed person" he's ever known. "The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it's more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,"

John Bolton (former National Security Advisor: Bolton calls him “erratic,” “stunningly uninformed,” and “unfit for office,”

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

100% agree.

[easyrider16]

Now reports of multiple incidents of Trump caravans and protestors engaging in what basically amounts to voter intimidation. This is disgusting behavior.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6069723002

Again, normally I wouldn't hold this sort of thing against the candidate. But in Trump's case, he encourages this sort of bullsh!t. Anyone who believes in democracy should be appalled by this.

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[WeekendWarrior]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

[XtremeJibber2001]

Now reports of multiple incidents of Trump caravans and protestors engaging in what basically amounts to voter intimidation. This is disgusting behavior.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6069723002

Again, normally I wouldn't hold this sort of thing against the candidate. But in Trump's case, he encourages this sort of bullsh!t. Anyone who believes in democracy should be appalled by this.

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I live in what you could consider a 'swing county' in PA. There was a Trump caravan last weekend that came through where I live. Thousands of vehicles. I've never seen anything like it. Seeing it in person is powerful compared to video clips. We pulled over into a parking lot so my kids could watch ... my kids got out of the car and waved, trucks with Trump flags honked their train horns at my kids request, people waved American flags. It was very cool.

The caravan went through one of the most progressive parts of the county. DW and I thought was how awesome it was to live in a country where a political caravan can drive through the progressive part of our town. It's an awesome display of the first amendment. Both sides were respectful and the caravan was peaceful.

That night, DW asked me about the caravan ... "Do we have reason to be afraid for our safety?"

My DW doesn't watch the news, doesn't care for politics, and we don't talk politics. The intent of these caravans is to show pride for your candidate, but the message isn't always received.

My DW voted for the first time in her life this week.