Trump Presidency

[easyrider16]

I don't have much of a problem with caravans per se, altough I think it's a bit weird to be that into a politician. I have a problem with caravans trying to run people off the road, engaging in shouting matches and using pepper spray on people they disagree with, and generally doing things to intimidate voters.

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[brownman]

.. is Mexico paying for the 'Beautiful' wall under construction in Washington ?

Judgement Day is at hand
SDNY court docket is about to explode

McGrath .. send Mitch to the Olde Kentucky Home ..
Republican Party looking for direction .. any will do.

[Bubba]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

[easyrider16]

Oh come on now. Moose seems like a nice enough fellow. It's not a reason to ostricize him just because he's wrong about Trump.

I'll let you in on a secret. Both my parents are die-hard Trump supporters. I haven't and won't let that come between us. They are otherwise very nice people.

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[WeekendWarrior]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

“I must question the values of those who support him...” That would make it difficult for me to remain friends with someone, yes, if I thought their values were questionable. “Open racism?” So it’s okay to support a racist, as long as one isn’t openly racist? “Disown?” It’s a struggle.

You seem to have it figured out.

[Bubba]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

“I must question the values of those who support him...” That would make it difficult for me to remain friends with someone, yes, if I thought their values were questionable. “Open racism?” So it’s okay to support a racist, as long as one isn’t openly racist? “Disown?” It’s a struggle.

You seem to have it figured out.

Adult life is all about reconciling contradictions. Read my signature.

[deadheadskier]

Never noticed the F Scott quote. His twin Great Grandsons both live in Stowe and are two of the best skiers / snowboarders I've ever seen. They do both equally as well. Used to party with them a bunch back in the 90s during my ski bum years up there.

[WeekendWarrior]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

“I must question the values of those who support him...” That would make it difficult for me to remain friends with someone, yes, if I thought their values were questionable. “Open racism?” So it’s okay to support a racist, as long as one isn’t openly racist? “Disown?” It’s a struggle.

You seem to have it figured out.

Adult life is all about reconciling contradictions. Read my signature.

It’s not that easy. It goes way beyond “contradictions.” This isn’t about his position on Syria or the stock market.

My problem is that the differences are deep and wide; I see supporting trump as someone with different morals and ethics than mine. It’s not easy to view the world that way right now, but I’m not alone.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... Slld5N9JXM

[WeekendWarrior]

Also...the WH is being set up as another super spreader event. His ignorance and willful disregard for human life is abhorrent. That’s just beyond the pale. Have a nice day.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

“I must question the values of those who support him...” That would make it difficult for me to remain friends with someone, yes, if I thought their values were questionable. “Open racism?” So it’s okay to support a racist, as long as one isn’t openly racist? “Disown?” It’s a struggle.

You seem to have it figured out.

Adult life is all about reconciling contradictions. Read my signature.

It’s not that easy. It goes way beyond “contradictions.” This isn’t about his position on Syria or the stock market.

My problem is that the differences are deep and wide; I see supporting trump as someone with different morals and ethics than mine. It’s not easy to view the world that way right now, but I’m not alone.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... Slld5N9JXM

Friendship among people with different morals and ethics has been part of the American fabric since it's founding. $02

[WeekendWarrior]

Friendship among people with different morals and ethics has been part of the American fabric since it's founding. $02

?? You're okay being friends with someone who's on record as saying it's okay to grab a woman's private parts? I said above...this is not someone's position on foreign policy or the dollar vs. the euro. This is someone who has a blatant disregard for human life. I can't handle that.

235K dead because he couldn't get a handle on it and family members are still calling it a hoax. No thank you. Thankfully it's extended family. My immediate family is all on the same page.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Friendship among people with different morals and ethics has been part of the American fabric since it's founding. $02

?? You're okay being friends with someone who's on record as saying it's okay to grab a woman's private parts? I said above...this is not someone's position on foreign policy or the dollar vs. the euro. This is someone who has a blatant disregard for human life. I can't handle that.

235K dead because he couldn't get a handle on it and family members are still calling it a hoax. No thank you. Thankfully it's extended family. My immediate family is all on the same page.

Most of my friends and family that support Trump are not okay with this specific comment and many of his other comments. Many of them are not supportive of his COVID response. Yet, they support him.

When we dig into the details, since most of us are conservatives (including me), we find we agree on most policy-type decisions. Where we differ is tolerating the division and hate spewed by Trump. Some see him as means to an end and even though he's vulgar he's delivery policies they largely support. Some don't and I'm in that camp.

If friends or family say something that's false, hateful, etc. I call it out just like I would here. Some cut ties as a result, many don't. It's okay to disagree ... same way I can be friends with Mets fans

[yiddle on da fiddle]

...and meanwhile...at camp Dem.....

[easyrider16]

I'm not sure I could be friends with Trump, but that's not the same as being friends with a person who votes for Trump. A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of every decision and idiosyncrasy, particularly here where we have so few choices.

Some might be willing to overlook Trump's glaring flaws. I am not. We can still be friends.

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[Bubba]

As for my opinion, having a vile human being with no respect for the office of President represent me and my country, regardless of some policy decisions I may agree with, is beyond acceptable, and I must question the values (as Americans) of those who support him. Failure to confront White Supremacy, gassing peaceful demonstrators for the benefit of a photo op, abandonment of allies (the Kurds), demeaning American intelligence while standing with Putin and, a total and utter failure of leadership in regard to Covid are only the starting point for why this disgrace must be ousted from office.

Thank you. This is why my friends who have voted R most of their adult life are not voting for Trump.

Hw do you reconcile the part of your post bolded above with your friendship with Mister Moose?

I don't have to reconcile friendships with beliefs and values of friends unless those beliefs/values are so out of whack with mine (i.e. open racism, etc.) that a relationship is untenable. I have friends who are Trump supporters as well as at least one close family member. Should I simply disown them all?

“I must question the values of those who support him...” That would make it difficult for me to remain friends with someone, yes, if I thought their values were questionable. “Open racism?” So it’s okay to support a racist, as long as one isn’t openly racist? “Disown?” It’s a struggle.

You seem to have it figured out.

I thought I'd expand on the "open racism" vs "support a racist as long as one isn't openly racist" dilemma you pose. In my view, we all have biases - some we're aware of, others that we're not. For my own biases that I am aware of, I try to overcome them (or at least not act on them) but we all have biases about which we're less cognizant. As with other human failings, with my friends and family, as I'm sure you do with yours, I separate the sinner from the sin unless the sin is so blatant as to make the relationship untenable.

Our Presidents have, at least since FDR, tried to appeal to Americans' better angels (in the words of Abraham Lincoln) and to bring this country together. Trump, whether he himself is racist, has spent his campaigns and presidency appealing to our biases and, for that alone he should be dismissed. I will not, however, simply dismiss my friends and family members for ignoring that aspect of his existence.

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”