Guy in Shorts wrote:Vermont had 109 opiate deaths thru Sept. Thru today Covid deaths are at 89.
Well sure, and in my household we are at 0/0 (thankfully). But nationwide we had 72k opioid-related deaths in 2019 (enough that it was considered an 'epidemic') and in a few days we'll be at 300k covid deaths (in less than one year since the first one).
If your point is that Vermont is doing way better than the rest of the country then I agree.
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easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 8th, '20, 11:44
Yeah I mean the strategy would make sense if Pfizer hadn't offered to sell them more *after* the study on effectiveness came out, and yet they still declined. Like you said, the cost is negligible, why not just snap up the offer since it was available? If we end up buying too many it's not like there aren't 7 billion or so other people who might be interested in buying some off our hands.
Seems the Govt is prioritizing raw material for OWS vaccine candidates and not for non-OWS candidates. I'm not certain why we wouldn't prioritize the vaccine that's already received EUA approval. My wild guess is Trump's feelings are hurt so less will get the vaccine they need as a result. Moderna, even with partnered pharmas, still can't meet the manufacturing capacity of Pfizer.
Johnson & Johnson vaccine evidently has fully enrolled the phase 3 trial participants and expect results by end of January. If I understood correctly that is a one dose vaccine with advantages that it can be stored in a normal refrigerator / freezer temperature.
boston_e wrote: ↑Dec 18th, '20, 07:49
Big step for the Modern vaccine yesterday.
Johnson & Johnson vaccine evidently has fully enrolled the phase 3 trial participants and expect results by end of January. If I understood correctly that is a one dose vaccine with advantages that it can be stored in a normal refrigerator / freezer temperature.
Astra Zeneca option seems to have gone quiet.
It sounds like J&J is doing parallel trials of the same vaccine candidate ... one using one dose and another doing two doses. Pfizer did something similar in early trial phases, but the one dose method had more significant side effects.
The storage requirements are really good ... I read they can be stored at temps above freezing.
Props to Army General Gustave Perna on his vaccine deployment planning mishap ... accountability has been missing the last several years ...
“I want to assure everybody, and I want to take personal responsibility for the miscommunication. I know that’s not done much these days, but I am responsible, and I take responsibility for the miscommunication,” he said. “The number of doses available to us to allocate ended up being lower, so as we gave forecasts to the jurisdictions and governors and states worked their priorities against those forecasts, what we had to decide was what was going to be shipped out, I had to lower the allocations to meet the releasable doses that were presented to me.”
XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Dec 19th, '20, 17:57
Props to Army General Gustave Perna on his vaccine deployment planning mishap ... accountability has been missing the last several years ...
“I want to assure everybody, and I want to take personal responsibility for the miscommunication. I know that’s not done much these days, but I am responsible, and I take responsibility for the miscommunication,” he said. “The number of doses available to us to allocate ended up being lower, so as we gave forecasts to the jurisdictions and governors and states worked their priorities against those forecasts, what we had to decide was what was going to be shipped out, I had to lower the allocations to meet the releasable doses that were presented to me.”
The General is a very Trump like commander on a mission. Would take a strong person to tell Gen. Perna that they are refusing to take his vaccine.
XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Dec 19th, '20, 17:57
Props to Army General Gustave Perna on his vaccine deployment planning mishap ... accountability has been missing the last several years ...
“I want to assure everybody, and I want to take personal responsibility for the miscommunication. I know that’s not done much these days, but I am responsible, and I take responsibility for the miscommunication,” he said. “The number of doses available to us to allocate ended up being lower, so as we gave forecasts to the jurisdictions and governors and states worked their priorities against those forecasts, what we had to decide was what was going to be shipped out, I had to lower the allocations to meet the releasable doses that were presented to me.”
The General is a very Trump like commander on a mission. Would take a strong person to tell Gen. Perna that they are refusing to take his vaccine.
Trump doesn't seem very interested in taking the vaccine or making a public display about it being safe like most of the other leaders up on Capitol Hill. Think he's still trying to find a corner of the oval office to sulk in?
XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Dec 19th, '20, 17:57
Props to Army General Gustave Perna on his vaccine deployment planning mishap ... accountability has been missing the last several years ...
“I want to assure everybody, and I want to take personal responsibility for the miscommunication. I know that’s not done much these days, but I am responsible, and I take responsibility for the miscommunication,” he said. “The number of doses available to us to allocate ended up being lower, so as we gave forecasts to the jurisdictions and governors and states worked their priorities against those forecasts, what we had to decide was what was going to be shipped out, I had to lower the allocations to meet the releasable doses that were presented to me.”
The General is a very Trump like commander on a mission. Would take a strong person to tell Gen. Perna that they are refusing to take his vaccine.
The only thing at all relatable to Trump is this part:
“I want to assure everybody, and I want to take personal responsibility for the miscommunication. I know that’s not done much these days, but I am responsible, and I take responsibility for the miscommunication"
Especially the second sentence. For four years Trump has not taken responsibility for a single thing bad that's occurred. It's easily my least favorite quality about the narcissistic loser.
The general is showing what leadership looks like. Trump and I guess his followers too, need to take note.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 21st, '20, 09:06
Trump doesn't seem very interested in taking the vaccine or making a public display about it being safe like most of the other leaders up on Capitol Hill. Think he's still trying to find a corner of the oval office to sulk in?
Trump HAD COVID and as such, has antibodies. Should he really take 2 doses of a vaccine that, if given to someone else might save their life?
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 21st, '20, 10:39
I don't know, but isn't there something to be said for leading by example? Especially when many fear this vaccine might not be safe?
Pence got it, the surgeon general got it, a few others, and this week Biden will take it along with his wife, and next week Kamala Harris will get it. I DO think its a good idea to separate Biden and Harris by a week in case one or both have a few down days from a reaction.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Dec 21st, '20, 10:39
I don't know, but isn't there something to be said for leading by example? Especially when many fear this vaccine might not be safe?
Pence got it, the surgeon general got it, a few others, and this week Biden will take it along with his wife, and next week Kamala Harris will get it. I DO think its a good idea to separate Biden and Harris by a week in case one or both have a few down days from a reaction.
Kinda exactly my point. All these leaders are taking it in public to assure people it is safe. But the guy currently in charge is not, and we both know he's got a handful of some really wacko supporters who might take that to mean something.
Look maybe it's because he wants other people to have the vaccine before he gets it, but I haven't heard him say anything along those lines, and that's not really his character from what I can tell. He's kind of a me-first type.
