Of course it's a score about who wins (won), we're talking about the election here. You saidXtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 16:49We both know what he said and that’s why he was labeled a racist. I never said he was racist nor do I think he is. I haven’t posted that I thought he was either.Mister Moose wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:44Show me where Trump labeled illegal immigrants as drug dealers and rapists. And don't show me where he said some are.XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:01 I don't think he was called a racist for wanting to close the border. I think he was called a racist for labeling illegal immigrants as drug dealers and rapists. The majority of immigrants are not either of these.
It’s not a score about who wins, Moose.Mister Moose wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:44OK, lets tally that score. Trump closed international flights early and against Democrat objection. Trump championed right to try for promising new treatments. Trump met with Pharma, established a plan, and prefunded millions of doses of vaccine. Trump cut red tape and delivered the vaccine in record time. Trump converted and sent 2 hospital ships to the most affected areas and built many field hospitals. Trump scaled up production of ventilators, and the forecast (and much hyped by the press) ventilator crisis never materialized. Trump dumped the use of masks outdoors early and was excoriated for it. Trump was combative with Fauci's lack of straightforwardness, which in hindsight is getting more and more defendable.XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:01 Had he managed COVID better and stopped his divisive rhetoric ... he would have been a two term POTUS. COVID was a really big lost opportunity to win hearts and minds.
On the negative, Trump made several clumsy remarks which were exaggerated by the press and he was excoriated for, such as "Inject yourself with bleach" Trump could have promoted indoor mask use more and reduced social gatherings earlier.
So it seems the press is more to blame for this assertion than Trump is. You add to the list, and we'll see how the score looks.
Trump was effective on the vaccine front, no doubt.
Are you saying you thought he was effective at managing the virus between day 1 and vaccine EULA? He politicized mask wearing, which was basically the only real preventive measure we had before EULA.
You didn’t comment on his divisive rhetoric, which aside from losing the White House, almost cost some congress members their lives.
So I'm enumerating his COVID performance. You said if he had managed it better, he'd have been a 2 term president. I think he managed the crisis fine, it was the press who dogged his every remark, drew conclusions, and provided incessant negative spin. It was the press, more thanXtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:01 Had he managed COVID better and stopped his divisive rhetoric ... he would have been a two term POTUS. COVID was a really big lost opportunity to win hearts and minds.
Trump, that politicized mask wearing. Yes, Trump didn't wear a mask in public at times, but Fauci had repeatedly, pointedly, officially denounced mask wearing. Where is the press? Lauding Fauci and scorning Trump.
And yes, I have always recognized Trump's clumsy speech. The repetition. The overuse of superlatives. The tortured structure that if can be construed as ambiguous is leapt on and twisted by the press. In that regard, you still haven't supported your statement that
In that regard, Trump was the first president to swiftly act on budgeting for black colleges, and enacted permanent funding instead of annual negotiation.XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Jun 23rd, '21, 14:01 I think he was called a racist for labeling illegal immigrants as drug dealers and rapists.
"The bill authorizes $85 million a year for historically black colleges and universities, along with $100 million for Hispanic-serving institutions, $30 million for tribal schools and $40 million for a variety of other minority-serving institutions.
The money is primarily meant to expand programs in science, technology, engineering and math."
In my view, you choose to see the same view as what the negative press coverage said he said. I choose to see what he actually, clumsily said.