Expansion

[wtf021]

Was at the Clubhouse on Friday and found out they are no longer serving food. The bartender mentioned staff cuts. Was also told the Wobbly is also closed on Tuesdays now. My friend’s business in Mendon had over 20 walk in job applicants (this never happens) last week from Killington employee housing, directly across the road. Apparently their hours were cut by the mountain unexpectedly.

[CRR321]

Anyone have the info on the SR quad schedule going forward? Hoping today wasn't just a tease

at this point gonna guess weekends, maybe friday. originally the plan was, in addition to fri-sun, it would run on the days the canyon didn't run - tues & thurs. but because of the budget cuts, the canyon hasn't been running mon & wed, so doubt we'll see SR on tues & thurs.

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold on. THE budget cuts. What budget cuts?

Time to channel my inner Snoloco.

First of all, you are telling me that they have announced that due to BUDGET CUTS, they haven't been, and WON'T BE running the canyon midweek this season? The very fact that it hasn't run midweek yet this season, given the limited terrain, doesn't by itself explain why.

MAYBE Friday??

Did they, or did they not, say they will be running the South Ridge Quad Tuesday and Thursday this season? As I remember, that wasn't just a rumor that we were tossing about here. If it was just a zone rumor, I will be disappointed about Tues/Thurs but whatever. If they in any way told a public group or made a public statement, and are now reneging, that is very lame.

If they eliminate SRQ service on Fridays for budget cuts, that would be bad. Real bad.

If they are admitting to cutting lift operations midweek due to budget cuts, why should anybody on this board doubt that they have also cut the snowmaking budget - despite Mike telling us everything is totally normal?

BUDGET CUTS? This isn't a municipal bus system we're talking about.

Let's take people's money in June, then tell them in January that they won't be getting what they paid for, because we have made budget cuts. Let's just act like they don't have any other options for where to spend their money.

The second they publicly state that they have cut standard lift operations in any way, due to budget cuts, is the second they deserve to lose many customers to their competition.

Jeez freaking Louise.

my bad ... though the canyon hasn't been running mon & wed (even monday new year's day), it was probably a stretch for me to say "because of budget cuts". it was never announced. maybe it was simply a case of limited terrain. but it's no secret that there have been budget cuts in a number of departments including snowmaking, so the fact that the chair hasn't been running on those days was a logical assumption. now it did run today. it was a holiday and now much of the canyon is open. so perhaps we'll see mon & wed moving forward.

as for the SR, until this weekend, there was zero terrain there so no reason to run the chair. however based on this afternoon's report, the SR is not scheduled to run tomorrow (a tuesday). perhaps we'll be surprised in the morning and it runs. maybe all this changes as we move into peak season (feb/march). we shall see how this ultimately plays out.

Really? And we know this how? And which departments, besides snowmaking? Asking for a friend.

I’m not in snowmaking and my department has significant budget cuts, and some employees were laid off. I’d prefer not to say what department.

[Bubba]

Got it. Heard from some privately since my question.

[jimmywilson69]

Jesus was Christmas week that bad?

[Big Bob]

Jesus was Christmas week that bad?

Cash flow was $2 million to date under revenue projections about 2 weeks ago.

[Bubba]

Jesus was Christmas week that bad?

There’s gotta be a joke in there somewhere.

[Eddytheyetti]

Jesus was Christmas week that bad?

Can’t imagine MLK day did much to save it. Talked to at least one group that turned in their day tickets on Saturday for a refund.


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[snoloco]

So they've given up on the season. Got it.

[newpylong1]

Unfortunately once you're behind that much it's hard to get back on track. There is still plenty of time to do so but mother nature needs to really give a helping hand, and soon. Flatlanders are less inclined to visit if it's brown and rainy where they live. Perception is everything.

What else is hosed up and ready to go in the basin once Downdraft is done?

[Southside_Bobby]

Let's stop talking as if it is normal for a ski resort to noticeably curtail standard operations (ESPECIALLY snowmaking and lift operations) in the middle of the year, just because they had a bad holiday week. It's not.

If it were normal, everybody else would be doing it right now. Everyone had the same bad xmas week.

When these things happen, something very not normal is going on.

The industry, in general, does not work that way. Their budgets are based on multi-year averages. They don't shrink snowmaking operations this year, to make up for a bad year last year. They don't lay off a ton of people in January, to make up for a wet holiday week. Long term, that would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

Plus, there was something going on with K's terrain expansion well before the holiday. Like since the start of the season. It was obvious to all of us.
 
Ski resorts don't hire people from South America for the season, with the stipulation "if we have a bad xmas week, we will be laying you off or cutting your hours in January. Then you can go scrounge in town to make up the hours". That is not normal.

It doesn't matter that xmas makes up for blah blah percentage of their revenue. That has nothing to do with WHATEVER is going on. And they didn't lose all of that revenue. Let's stop over-stating this.

Something else is going on. Time to bump the thread about whether K is fiscally sound.

Wanna have a "Day Powdr will announce the sale of K" contest?

On the other hand, Mike told us that there was nothing to see here. Everything is just dandy.

Who should we believe, him or our lying eyes?

[snoloco]

If Powdr isn't going to invest in Killington or even give their best effort at operating it, then they should sell it, just not to Vail or Alterra who are in my opinion even worse.

[daytripper]

If Powdr isn't going to invest in Killington or even give their best effort at operating it, then they should sell it, just not to Vail or Alterra who are in my opinion even worse.

Who else besides Vail or alterra is looking to buy ski resorts right now?

[jimmywilson69]

Me when I win the lottery!

[Big Bob]

If Powdr isn't going to invest in Killington or even give their best effort at operating it, then they should sell it, just not to Vail or Alterra who are in my opinion even worse.

Who else besides Vail or alterra is looking to buy ski resorts right now?

Like I said earlier, how about Great Gulf?

Someone lost alot of money when the land for the village was sold. Powdr had their fingers in it along with the other investors.

[daytripper]

If Powdr isn't going to invest in Killington or even give their best effort at operating it, then they should sell it, just not to Vail or Alterra who are in my opinion even worse.

Who else besides Vail or alterra is looking to buy ski resorts right now?

Like I said earlier, how about Great Gulf?

Someone lost alot of money when the land for the village was sold. Powdr had their fingers in it along with the other investors.

So do they have any experience owning/running a ski resort? I thought they were basically just house/condo builders.