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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: Nov 8th, '24, 19:13
Mister Moose wrote: Nov 8th, '24, 17:50
asher2789 wrote: Nov 8th, '24, 16:46
Low Rider wrote: Nov 7th, '24, 08:59 In other words - propaganda is more effective than rational policy discussions.

Thats how Hitler rose to power - notice any similarities?
thats how every leader since the dawn of civilization has gotten into power.
The antidote is a thriving inquisitive free press. We have a free press, but they weren't very inquisitive. That needs to change.

Harris was asked in late October in a widely circulated interview, "When did you first notice the cognitive decline of Joe Biden?" She dodged the question.

That question was extremely late, and the follow up was lacking. That's what's wrong. That's also a big part of why Trump won.
While I agree the press isn’t very inquisitive, does the general public really want this? Do they want more lengthy 60 minute type pieces or 30 second sound bites? It seems like they want the latter - our media and politicians are configured to thrive in the sound bite environment. Trump’s mastery of the sound bite and flooding the zone with garbage is his greatest skill.

Interviews with politicians are a joke. Media is entertainment today, outlets are all catering to their viewers.
once again learning all the wrong lessons. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... 236055439/
But while both campaigns worked overtime to court influencers, their strategies were divergent. The Harris campaign prioritized shortform clips, investing in quick videos and viral remixes on TikTok and Instagram. The Trump campaign went deep and long, investing heavily in longform YouTube podcasts and building partnerships with livestreamers. Ultimately, the latter proved wildly more successful.
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Mister Moose wrote: Nov 8th, '24, 17:50
asher2789 wrote: Nov 8th, '24, 16:46
Low Rider wrote: Nov 7th, '24, 08:59 In other words - propaganda is more effective than rational policy discussions.

Thats how Hitler rose to power - notice any similarities?
thats how every leader since the dawn of civilization has gotten into power.
The antidote is a thriving inquisitive free press. We have a free press, but they weren't very inquisitive. That needs to change.

Harris was asked in late October in a widely circulated interview, "When did you first notice the cognitive decline of Joe Biden?" She dodged the question.

That question was extremely late, and the follow up was lacking. That's what's wrong. That's also a big part of why Trump won.
but if theyre inquisitive then they lose their pecking order in the press corps and their sources. the system reinforces itself under this stage of capitalism. when did we ever truly have a free press? weve had yellow journalism and the distrust in journalism it foments since the spanish american war...
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The problem with the press today is every outlet has chosen a side, and they give that side a pass. Then they go after the opposing side in an almost irrational and unreasonable manner. But to XJ's point, biased media sells better than independent journalism.

Trump used this to his advantage by going into hostile forums and riling them up, thus allowing him to claim bias for any and all negative coverage. He's a clever man in dealing with the press, and he knows how to get to people's emotions. Harris was not good at this. She avoided hostile forums and frankly didn't do very well even in the friendly ones.

But I do think we should understand that to the American voter, money is the primary motivating factor. It's the economy stupid. People were really pissed off at inflation and blamed Biden/Harris. That's what decided this thing in the end, not ideology or biased press coverage. As I said above, most voters didn't even like Trump - 44% approval rating in the exit polls. They held their noses and voted for him anyway.
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I can’t get enough of CNN, MSNBC, The View, etc., not to mention Steven Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel who was crying like a spoiled child after someone just took his lollypop away. That was the first time either of them made me laugh in a very long time.

With respect to CNN, MSNBC and the like, to their credit, they are finally being somewhat honest with their audience and are acknowledging the fact that the Democratic party has gone way too far left, have abandoned their working-class base for the billionaire and celebrity class, and are completely out of touch with everyday Americans. Parading out celebrity after celebrity could not have been any more tone deaf.

Their arrogance and moral and intellectual superiority complex has been nauseating to say the least but it just got stuck up their asses in one the most humiliating political defeats in American history. What a beautiful thing.

God Bless America.
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Maybe the dems will throw a collective hissy fit on Jan 6 because their candidate lost. Perhaps hatch an “alternate electors” scheme.
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easyrider16 wrote: Nov 9th, '24, 07:07 The problem with the press today is every outlet has chosen a side, and they give that side a pass. Then they go after the opposing side in an almost irrational and unreasonable manner. But to XJ's point, biased media sells better than independent journalism.

Trump used this to his advantage by going into hostile forums and riling them up, thus allowing him to claim bias for any and all negative coverage. He's a clever man in dealing with the press, and he knows how to get to people's emotions. Harris was not good at this. She avoided hostile forums and frankly didn't do very well even in the friendly ones.

But I do think we should understand that to the American voter, money is the primary motivating factor. It's the economy stupid. People were really pissed off at inflation and blamed Biden/Harris. That's what decided this thing in the end, not ideology or biased press coverage. As I said above, most voters didn't even like Trump - 44% approval rating in the exit polls. They held their noses and voted for him anyway.
the chosen side of the establishment press is protecting capital (see my above comment for why they arent inquisitive - they arent going to bite the hand that feeds their careers). the irrationality and lack of reason is to confuse and rile people up, so nothing real changes (neither party supports labor and both support war), capital continues to maintain their power. and what even is the press these days? is it a cnn news anchor, a nyt journalist, or a tik tok influencer?

biden/harris gaslit the public for their entire administration about inflation. i cant believe they cant believe they lost in a landslide. i feel bad for their duped supporters shocked by the loss. anyone paying attention could see it coming from a mile away. one of my friends - 30s straight white female vermonter - voted for trump. i was surprised. i asked her why, and she said she couldnt afford another four years going in this direction. i asked her, as a straight woman of childbearing age, what about the risk to reproductive rights? and she said "im protected in vermont but if that changes i wont be ok with it". so theres that. someone who could of voted for the democrat nominee, had they run an actual primary that courted the will of the voters, instead of running on "were not trump" and attracting f*** war criminal dick cheney. (why expect anything less from a war criminal administration?)
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makemoreturns wrote: Nov 9th, '24, 11:35 Maybe the dems will throw a collective hissy fit on Jan 6 because their candidate lost. Perhaps hatch an “alternate electors” scheme.
unlikely. the party establishment will prostitute for campaign contributions to fight for the cause! and their supporters will once again march around with signs wearing pussy hats and then go back to brunch. there were a lot of warning signs to J6, like militias showing up at state capitals first.
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KingsFourMan wrote: Nov 9th, '24, 08:13 I can’t get enough of CNN, MSNBC, The View, etc., not to mention Steven Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel who was crying like a spoiled child after someone just took his lollypop away. That was the first time either of them made me laugh in a very long time.

With respect to CNN, MSNBC and the like, to their credit, they are finally being somewhat honest with their audience and are acknowledging the fact that the Democratic party has gone way too far left, have abandoned their working-class base for the billionaire and celebrity class, and are completely out of touch with everyday Americans. Parading out celebrity after celebrity could not have been any more tone deaf.

Their arrogance and moral and intellectual superiority complex has been nauseating to say the least but it just got stuck up their asses in one the most humiliating political defeats in American history. What a beautiful thing.

God Bless America.
thats not left, thats liberal. elitist, authoritarian liberals. there is not a single leftist anywhere in congress other than bernie and some of his squad, and he barely qualifies these days as he continues to kiss the feet of the democrat party. save for that sternly worded letter after the loss. the left has traditionally supported workers rights and personal freedoms - pro gay marriage, pro reproductive rights, and go far enough left, pro 2A. anti war as well. the modern day democrat party is pro war and anti workers rights. biden after all ended the railroad workers ability to strike. trump, on the other hand is the only president ever to be a union member. the parties are shifting in strange ways, because the democrats abandoned the left a long time ago after their embarrassing loss to reagan. they are pro corporate liberals through and through. there is not a war they can secure more funding for nor a poverty program they are willing to cut to court the republicans who will never vote for them.
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Every Democrat, especially those further to the left, should read this.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politics ... index.html
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Bubba wrote: Nov 10th, '24, 12:27 Every Democrat, especially those further to the left, should read this.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politics ... index.html
i couldnt read something that could be more wrong and out of touch, in its conclusion. they NEED to run actual leftists, not f*** republicans. harris and biden are republicans.

this quote from the article gets it right, however:
“The actual way to think about this is not moderate or progressive, liberal or conservative, but, ‘Are you with the people, and against the elites with power?’” argued Rep. Pat Ryan, a New York Democrat who said he massively outperformed Harris in his competitive Hudson Valley district. “That’s the reality for the people on the ground.”
the democrats abandoned a higher minimum wage. they abandoned figuring out universal healthcare. they abandoned higher education - that includes both funding apprenticeships and forgiving student loans. theyre pro war, nearly always a losing strategy. the student loans my generation - millennials - got saddled with are predatory and were mostly made under coercion and have been an albatross around our collective necks since the day many of us were defrauded into taking them out. my country tells me im too immature to have a beer yet i can sign my financial life away at 17 and make it so 20 years later i cant get a house because the completely predatory loan that the government profits off of destroyed my credit? i know people who took out modest loans, paid off the entire original amount, and still owe more than they started with! we need a goddamn rebellion. we did exactly what we were told since the day we entered elementary school and weve been punished our entire adult lives for listening to every single authority figure. the only thing i hate more in this country than the way my generation has been treated as an economic punching bag is the health insurance companies. being against student debt relief of straight up predatory loans that work like no other loan out there is like being against finding a cure for cancer because your loved one already died. a debt jubilee would juice the economy more than any other proposed plan from democrats or republicans. the debt equates to a f*** mortgage payment every month, for the rest of our lives. its structured to never be able to be repaid in full. were debt slaves. boomers sold us into debt slavery to fuel their retirements while they got higher education for the cost of a big mac. f*** them. i hate to hurt my mother (and these things would destroy her, but im in a cut off my nose to spite my face kinda mood) but id love to see social security get f*** and medicare as well. that will show boomers that they reap what they sow. maybe then the liberals will get up from their bottomless mimosa brunches and actually give a sh*t? unlikely! theyre too busy splitting hairs about pronouns.

the democrats are once again going to learn all the wrong lessons, too busy sniffing their own farts to realize that running empty suits with no platform and without a primary is a failed strategy. of course, in 2028 should we be so lucky to still have elections, theyll run a republican and lose again. and then cry harder. because thats all they are capable of is marching around with pussy hats and signs and then going back to brunch and their laptop based "work".

democrats are f*** pathetic. stop blaming this on the left. this is 100% urban well to do liberals f*** it up. didnt you hear, the economy is better than ever?!?!?!!

progressive economic policies have always polled extremely high when removed from a political party. after all, these trump voting numbnuts HATE OBAMACARE but LOVE THE ACA. f*** square that one away.

listen to future VP JD vance talking about corporate america, he sounds like bernie sanders. thats right, JD vance sounds like bernie sanders. https://x.com/davidsirota/status/185490 ... -2024.html

every single democrat needs to listen to that, and then come back to me and say yeah! lets run another republican! that will show them!
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Bubba wrote: Nov 10th, '24, 12:27 Every Democrat, especially those further to the left, should read this.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politics ... index.html
i also want to counter this mostly-drivel piece with something a little more spot on, written by former ny gov andrew cuomo, which is not who id expect to be reading this from (i have some criticisms particularly when it comes to using trans people as a scapegoat, but anyway): https://www.thedailybeast.com/andrew-cu ... la-fiasco/
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asher2789 wrote: Nov 11th, '24, 08:39
Bubba wrote: Nov 10th, '24, 12:27 Every Democrat, especially those further to the left, should read this.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politics ... index.html
i couldnt read something that could be more wrong and out of touch, in its conclusion. they NEED to run actual leftists, not f*** republicans. harris and biden are republicans.

this quote from the article gets it right, however:
“The actual way to think about this is not moderate or progressive, liberal or conservative, but, ‘Are you with the people, and against the elites with power?’” argued Rep. Pat Ryan, a New York Democrat who said he massively outperformed Harris in his competitive Hudson Valley district. “That’s the reality for the people on the ground.”
the democrats abandoned a higher minimum wage. they abandoned figuring out universal healthcare. they abandoned higher education - that includes both funding apprenticeships and forgiving student loans. theyre pro war, nearly always a losing strategy. the student loans my generation - millennials - got saddled with are predatory and were mostly made under coercion and have been an albatross around our collective necks since the day many of us were defrauded into taking them out. my country tells me im too immature to have a beer yet i can sign my financial life away at 17 and make it so 20 years later i cant get a house because the completely predatory loan that the government profits off of destroyed my credit? i know people who took out modest loans, paid off the entire original amount, and still owe more than they started with! we need a goddamn rebellion. we did exactly what we were told since the day we entered elementary school and weve been punished our entire adult lives for listening to every single authority figure. the only thing i hate more in this country than the way my generation has been treated as an economic punching bag is the health insurance companies. being against student debt relief of straight up predatory loans that work like no other loan out there is like being against finding a cure for cancer because your loved one already died. a debt jubilee would juice the economy more than any other proposed plan from democrats or republicans. the debt equates to a f*** mortgage payment every month, for the rest of our lives. its structured to never be able to be repaid in full. were debt slaves. boomers sold us into debt slavery to fuel their retirements while they got higher education for the cost of a big mac. f*** them. i hate to hurt my mother (and these things would destroy her, but im in a cut off my nose to spite my face kinda mood) but id love to see social security get f*** and medicare as well. that will show boomers that they reap what they sow. maybe then the liberals will get up from their bottomless mimosa brunches and actually give a sh*t? unlikely! theyre too busy splitting hairs about pronouns.

the democrats are once again going to learn all the wrong lessons, too busy sniffing their own farts to realize that running empty suits with no platform and without a primary is a failed strategy. of course, in 2028 should we be so lucky to still have elections, theyll run a republican and lose again. and then cry harder. because thats all they are capable of is marching around with pussy hats and signs and then going back to brunch and their laptop based "work".

democrats are f*** pathetic. stop blaming this on the left. this is 100% urban well to do liberals f*** it up. didnt you hear, the economy is better than ever?!?!?!!

progressive economic policies have always polled extremely high when removed from a political party. after all, these trump voting numbnuts HATE OBAMACARE but LOVE THE ACA. f*** square that one away.

listen to future VP JD vance talking about corporate america, he sounds like bernie sanders. thats right, JD vance sounds like bernie sanders. https://x.com/davidsirota/status/185490 ... -2024.html

every single democrat needs to listen to that, and then come back to me and say yeah! lets run another republican! that will show them!
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Anger is a fire that burns its holder, not its object.

I'm not happy with the election result but I nonetheless hope Trump does a good job and I also hope I'm wrong about all the mistakes I was afraid he would make. I'm going to do my best to take advantage of whatever opportunities the next four years presents and I refuse to feel dejected about the future before he even has a chance to do anything.

In short, I plan to take it as it comes. If Trump does good things I'll give him credit for them. If he does bad things, I'll continue to call him out for them.
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Just my $02, but progressive economic reforms are not universally popular with the electorate. Things like Higher Minimum Wage, Predatory Lending, Apprenticeships, Loan Forgiveness are just not popular among voters.

Doesn't mean I don't think some of these policies should be more popular, but just look at what voters said were the most important issues going into the election. Going into vote we had Inflation 2.1%, Unemployment 4% and GDP 3%. In spite of a good economy Voters said the economy was still #1, even more important than our Democracy.

If there's one thing I learned the last 8 years it's that the overwhelming majority of voters vote for what will benefit them most. They don't care if immigrant Americans are deported at the cost of a trillion in tax payer dollars so long as they pay <$2 a gallon for gas.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: Nov 11th, '24, 13:41 Just my $02, but progressive economic reforms are not universally popular with the electorate. Things like Higher Minimum Wage, Predatory Lending, Apprenticeships, Loan Forgiveness are just not popular among voters.

Doesn't mean I don't think some of these policies should be more popular, but just look at what voters said were the most important issues going into the election. Going into vote we had Inflation 2.1%, Unemployment 4% and GDP 3%. In spite of a good economy Voters said the economy was still #1, even more important than our Democracy.

If there's one thing I learned the last 8 years it's that the overwhelming majority of voters vote for what will benefit them most. They don't care if immigrant Americans are deported at the cost of a trillion in tax payer dollars so long as they pay <$2 a gallon for gas.

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false.

healthcare:
57% say government should ensure health coverage for all in U.S.
53% favor health system based on private insurance; 43%, a government-run one
72% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans support government-run system
https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/maj ... hcare.aspx (from 2023)
Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37%) say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted July 27 to Aug. 2 among 11,001 adults.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -coverage/ (from 2020)

universal healthcare is broadly popular. its also a broader left position, with leftists (bernie and the squad, for example) supporting a government run system and liberals (obama and most establishment dems and some moderate republicans, such as romney) supporting a public-private partnership (ACA/obamacare). a growing number of people are moving from the liberal to left position, after seeing the faults of obamacare (while better than nothing, still not enough) and the long term effects of covid on society.

minimum wage:
About six-in-ten U.S. adults (62%) say they favor raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, including 40% who strongly back the idea. About four-in-ten (38%) say they oppose the proposal, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted April 5-11.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... imum-wage/ (from 2021)
From 1996 to 2023, there were 28 ballot measures to increase state minimum wages. Voters approved 26 (92.86%) and rejected two (7.14%).
https://ballotpedia.org/Results_for_min ... ures,_2024 while not a spotless track record, for the most part especially historically, people support pro labor policies especially raising their wages.

apprenticeships:

youre totally wrong. the concept has a wild amount of bipartisan support.
Eighty-three percent of respondents supported increased government funding to support apprenticeship. That’s about the same percentage of Americans that admire scientists and firefighters. And that support crosses party lines. Ninety-three percent of Democrats and 73 percent of Republicans favor additional spending on these programs.
https://www.newamerica.org/education-po ... nticeship/ (from 2018)
Voters—Republican and Democrat alike—strongly support skilled trades education. Among likely
voters:
■ 83% say school districts should make funding for skilled trades classes a high priority.
■ 83% say the government should provide more funding for skilled trades classes, and 81% say
they favor a federal program to allocate this funding.
■ 89% of Democrats, 76% of independents, and 73% of Republicans would favor a federal program
to allocate this funding.
■ 69% say a federal program rebuilding infrastructure in the United States should include funding
to train high school students with the skills to do that work.
■ 66% say they would be extremely or very likely to support a candidate who favored increasing
government funding for skilled trades training.
■ A majority of Democrats (77%), independents (64%) and Republicans (54%) would support a
candidate who wanted to increase government funding for skilled trades training.
https://hftforschools.org/wp-content/up ... C-poll.pdf (from 2020) granted, this is from harbor freight, who has an economic incentive to want more trades workers that will buy their tools. but absolutely damning about what you assume to be true, versus the actual truth.

predatory lending:

i was referring to the student loans that my generation were coerced into signing up for, but thats just one form of predatory lending. in more general finance stuff fighting predatory financial policies has a crazy amount of support that even surprised me. but again, you couldnt be more wrong!
An overwhelming majority of voters across party lines – roughly nine in ten – agree
that regulating financial services and products to ensure they are fair for consumers
is important (91% total important).1
o Two thirds – including strong majorities across party lines – say that financial
regulation is very important (67%). Intensity is even higher in the 2024 key
presidential battleground states (71% very important).
o Wide majorities of voters agree on the importance of financial regulation
regardless of their party affiliation, with high intensity.

...

Voters across party affiliation support lessening the burden of student loans.
➢ Over three quarters of voters (77%) support a new federal government Income
Driven Repayment Plan for student loans, lowering the amount of borrowers’ income
they have to pay from 10% to 5%, and the period in which their debt may be repaid
to as little as 10 years from 25.
o While Democrats are most supportive, two-thirds of independents and seven
in ten Republicans also support the policy.
https://www.responsiblelending.org/site ... ep2024.pdf (from 2024) 91% support federal regulation of the finance industry! ninety one percent!!! that whole paper is a must read. democrats should be taking notes, maybe write down all those polling numbers about finance regulation on a chalkboard over and over again like theyre in after school detention. maybe then it will get through their thick f*** heads what they need to be focusing on.

student loans:

while not nearly as popular as other left positions, theres some support, but more importantly, those who have been promised help by biden and then denied are staying home. but its not as unpopular as you make it sound, and with proper messaging (talking about juicing the economy by freeing up a mortgage payment every month for a large amount of people) some reforms could gain even more support.
According to a February Beacon Research/Shaw & Company Research for Fox News poll, conducted just before the oral arguments took place, a majority of respondents (62 percent) said that at least some student debt should be forgiven — though they didn’t agree on just how much forgiveness was appropriate. Of that total number, 25 percent said that all college loan debt should be forgiven, while a larger percentage (37 percent) said that only amounts of up to $20,000 — which is double the amount of Biden’s plan for most borrowers — should be forgiven for people making up to $125,000 annually. Thirty-six percent of respondents, meanwhile, said no loan debt amount should be forgiven.

Other polls have similarly shown broad support for Biden’s plan. A YouGov/Economist survey conducted from Feb. 20-21 found that 53 percent of U.S. adults either “strongly” or “somewhat” supported the federal government canceling up to $10,000 in student loans for people who earn less than $125,000 a year. In the same poll, 44 percent of respondents said that the federal government has at least some responsibility to address student loan debt, while 40 percent said that it doesn’t.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/sa ... ness-0303/ (from 2023) worth a read, if for all the links.
Asher Marshall was rooting for Biden’s first cancellation plan. It would have chipped away at his $52,000 in student loans. But in hindsight, Marshall says it’s clear Biden made a promise he couldn’t deliver without going through Congress.

“He suggested something that sounded good to a lot of individuals in this country, but there was no way for it to move forward from the onset,” said Marshall, 33, of Jacksonville, Illinois.

Marshall, an independent, still plans to vote for Biden as the “lesser of two evils,” but he questions whether cancellation will energize other Black voters, especially since Biden’s latest plan helps fewer borrowers than the first one.

Melissa Mata feels let down by the president. The Houston resident has $14,000 in student loans from a program she never finished, and she could have used the help that Biden promised.

Now she plans to sit out the November election or vote independent.

“They make these promises to get votes, but they don’t deliver. So I think for me, I wouldn’t trust it,” said Mata, 34, a bookkeeper.
Some others say Biden isn’t to blame.

Samantha Kempf, a social worker in Howell, Michigan, has $78,000 in federal student loans from her bachelor’s and master’s degrees. Kempf, a Democrat, was upset when Biden’s initial plan failed, but she doesn’t hold it against him.

“It was the Supreme Court that shut him down,” said Kempf, 32. “I don’t blame him for it, because he at least made an attempt to get something approved.”

Americans overall had a dimmer view on the Supreme Court’s handling of the issue, the poll found: 15% approve of its work on the issue and around one-quarter disapprove.

About 4 in 10 adults think it is extremely or very important for the federal government to provide student debt relief. A similar share say it’s not too important or not important at all, with about one-quarter in the middle, saying they believe it’s somewhat important.

Younger adults are more likely to prioritize government action on student debt, with about half under 45 saying it’s extremely or very important, compared to 3 in 10 older adults who said the same.

Political divisions are even wider, with 15% of Republicans saying it’s extremely or very important, compared to 58% of Democrats. The issue has become a rallying point for Republicans, who often say taxpayers shouldn’t get burdened with repaying other people’s college debt.
https://apnews.com/article/student-loan ... 321f532836 (from 2024) i think losing the base is way worse than losing republicans who would never vote for a democrat in the first place. who cares if its a republican rallying point, so is the completely false and outrageous notion that public schools are making children trans. republicans can think whatever they want, theyre not who the democrats need to be energizing to go out and vote. the democrats abandoned their base and lost in a landslide as a result. half of people under 45 believe its really important for the government to take action on this (because we are the most burdened by it, college degrees used to be paid for by a part time summer job, now theyre a house) and a whopping 58% of democrats think this issue is important. and that quote from the woman whos sitting out or voting independent, sure, shes one person, but shes one of many who find the empty promises to be the final straw that breaks their back when it comes to holding their nose and voting for the dems.


im so fed up with democrats routinely shitting on the left, ratcheting to the right, and losing elections to fascists. i really am.


and back to your quote
Going into vote we had Inflation 2.1%, Unemployment 4% and GDP 3%.
that inflation number is completely imaginary to the point that it would be laughable if the outcome of it werent so dangerous, unemployment numbers have been imaginary since 2008 and dont account for the amount of workers who completely dropped out from looking for work, and the gdp doesnt matter if all the gains go to the top 10% or so of society. democrats too busy sniffing their own farts and making up imaginary numbers to make themselves feel good while living in their bubble world of remote work and bottomless brunch completely ignoring the reality on the ground. if they actually talked to everyday people about their realities instead of smugly dismissing them maybe they wouldnt of lost an election?
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