Kilmar Abrego Garcia

[Skid Mark]

As our Commander in Chief put it;

"How can Biden let Millions of Criminals into our Country, totally unchecked and unvetted, with no Legal authority to do so, yet I, in order to make up for this assault to our Nation, am expected to go through a lengthy Legal process, separately, for each and every Criminal Alien. As usual, TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS, only leading to the Complete and Total Destruction of the U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

TRAITOR

Agreed, Biden is a traitor.

[Skid Mark]

^and people think im an alarmist!

The month before that, a Pew Research Center survey found that 59% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say many of the country’s problems could be addressed more effectively if Trump “didn’t need to worry so much about Congress or the courts.”

how is this not worth the level of alarm ive been sounding the whole time????? these deranged people will gladly support the insane and unconstitutional unitary executive legal theory which will allow the executive branch to do literally whatever the f*** it wants.

and lets not brush this aside with a lack of education or whatever (although thats part of it). the worst of these people are of the same mindset as the kids who tied to kill me for being queer in my childhood, all grown up. i mean look at the political humor thread - LGBTQMS-13 - thats not a joke nor is it funny, its a threat. its a goal. get rid of undesirables, send them to concentration camps in el salvador where one is beyond the reach of the law - immigrants, queers, disabled.... sound familiar? im not crying wolf, this is the real deal happening right now and all of you doubted this would happen.

The people who have been wrong about just about everything the last 10 years says what?

Do you seriously think Trump wants to (or can) get rid of "undesirables" and put them in concentration camps? Seriously? Girl, you have been brainwashed. Admit it and get help.

[asher2789]

^and people think im an alarmist!

The month before that, a Pew Research Center survey found that 59% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say many of the country’s problems could be addressed more effectively if Trump “didn’t need to worry so much about Congress or the courts.”

how is this not worth the level of alarm ive been sounding the whole time????? these deranged people will gladly support the insane and unconstitutional unitary executive legal theory which will allow the executive branch to do literally whatever the f*** it wants.

and lets not brush this aside with a lack of education or whatever (although thats part of it). the worst of these people are of the same mindset as the kids who tied to kill me for being queer in my childhood, all grown up. i mean look at the political humor thread - LGBTQMS-13 - thats not a joke nor is it funny, its a threat. its a goal. get rid of undesirables, send them to concentration camps in el salvador where one is beyond the reach of the law - immigrants, queers, disabled.... sound familiar? im not crying wolf, this is the real deal happening right now and all of you doubted this would happen.

The people who have been wrong about just about everything the last 10 years says what?

Do you seriously think Trump wants to (or can) get rid of "undesirables" and put them in concentration camps? Seriously? Girl, you have been brainwashed. Admit it and get help.

hes already doing it. hes not stopping with "gang members". he wants to deport american citizens. why is RFK creating a directory of people who have autism? why does he promise to "get to the bottom of it" by september? why is palantir getting their immigration software ready by september? you think theyre just gonna stop at the type of people you find undesirable (allegedly, seeing as they never had their day in court to be proven as gang members)? youre in desperate need of history education.

you think theyre gonna stop at just autism? theyre gonna figure out who every diabetic is. theyre gonna figure out who every heart patient is. theyre gonna figure out everyone who claims to have "long covid". theyre gonna figure out everyone who has a disability that makes them unable to contribute (financially/labor wise, the only thing that matters in capitalism) to society. what are they gonna do with that information? you think theyre gonna let the useless eaters live in their fascist utopia? i dont think so.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... sabilities

again, this is something that should alarm everyone, and im baffled as to why it doesnt. was my jewish education that superior to the gentiles?

[XtremeJibber2001]

I’m oversimplifying and obviously we are not 1930’s Germany, but the FDR administration didn’t act on the warnings about Germany from their US Ambassador William Dodd. They thought he was too naive and emotional.

[volklopposition]

Of course nobody cares about this guy. It's not about this guy. It's about whether the President of the United States can arbitrarily round people up on a whim and incarcerate them indefinitely without trial. That, I think, most people should give a sh*t about.

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

FDR was wrong for doing so and what he did is now viewed as a very shameful mistake in American history.

What's your point?

The power to do that is necessary for a modern civilized state with an imperfect legal system, and I believe that all of us effectively have that. sh*t comes up.

*edited

necessary evil like supporting israel's genocide. f*** disgusting. go to north korea, traitor.

Guantanamo Bay was necessary and Im glad the terrorists are still there. Im not sure why you think I support the extinction of any particular race. You sound unreasonable.

[easyrider16]

Guantanamo Bay was necessary and Im glad the terrorists are still there. Im not sure why you think I support the extinction of any particular race. You sound unreasonable.

Even the Guantanamo detainees were afforded due process. The Supreme Court held in Rasul v. Bush that detainees could challenge their detention in court. Garcia, again, was denied that right.

[asher2789]

FDR, one of the greatest proclaimed democrat presidents didn't seem to have a problem with doing just that.

FDR was wrong for doing so and what he did is now viewed as a very shameful mistake in American history.

What's your point?

The power to do that is necessary for a modern civilized state with an imperfect legal system, and I believe that all of us effectively have that. sh*t comes up.

*edited

necessary evil like supporting israel's genocide. f*** disgusting. go to north korea, traitor.

Guantanamo Bay was necessary and Im glad the terrorists are still there. Im not sure why you think I support the extinction of any particular race. You sound unreasonable.

oh how quickly we forget.

Around the world, Guantánamo remains one of the most enduring symbols of the injustice, abuse, and disregard for the rule of law that the US unleashed in response to the 9/11 attacks. Since January 11, 2002, the US has held at least 780 foreign Muslim males there, 15 of them boys at the time of their capture. The US military continues to detain 39 men rounded up in the wake of 9/11 at Guantánamo.[38] As of January 2, 2022, 27 of them had never been charged.[39]

Most of the detainees were handed over to the US in the aftermath of 9/11 by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance, a coalition of anti-Taliban militias in Afghanistan.[40] Bush’s Vice President Dick Cheney called the Guantánamo detainees “the worst of the worst.”[41] But according to Jane Mayer’s The Dark Side, Maj. Gen. (ret.) Michael Dunlavey, a former operational commander at Guantánamo, estimated that at least half the prisoners were held by mistake.[42] A Seton Hall University Law School study concludes that at least 55 percent of the prisoners held at Guantánamo never engaged in any hostile acts against the US and only 8 percent had any association with Al Qaeda.[43] Many allege that they were taken into custody in return for bounties based on false evidence.[44]

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The 27 men held without charge include Abu Zubaydah, the first “ghost prisoner” who, during four and a half years in CIA black sites before his transfer to Guantánamo, was waterboarded 83 times, held naked and in stress positions, deprived of sleep, confined in small, coffin-like boxes, deprived of solid food, and physically assaulted.[63] The US has argued that releasing Zubaydah would constitute too great a risk to national security.[64] The two other men still held at Guantánamo are serving sentences after being convicted in flawed military commission system created for prisoners prosecuted there.[65]

from https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/09/legacy-dark-side theres so much i could quote from it but well start with that.

Guantanamo Bay was necessary and Im glad the terrorists are still there. Im not sure why you think I support the extinction of any particular race. You sound unreasonable.

Even the Guantanamo detainees were afforded due process. The Supreme Court held in Rasul v. Bush that detainees could challenge their detention in court. Garcia, again, was denied that right.

no they were not afforded due process. thats a straight up lie, misremembering, whatever. but its totally false. bush, obama and biden laid the groundwork for trump's madness today. bush with guantanamo and secret renditions, obama with drone strikes on US citizens abroad without due process, and both obama and biden for promising and failing to close guantanamo. the whole reason guantanamo exists is to be outside the US legal system and its protections.

also re the court case you brought up:

On March 9, 2004, two years after they were first detained, the U.S. released Rasul and Iqbal to the United Kingdom with no charges filed, along with three other British citizen detainees. The British government had been pressing the United States for the return of its citizens and legal residents. The next day, the UK government released all five men without charge.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasul_v._Bush two years without charges is not due process. if these people are so dangerous why did the UK release them without charges? and they were the lucky ones with citizenship to an allied country. others rotted away under torture conditions for 20 years!

let it be known that 9/11 and bush's tyrannical response to it was what radicalized me to question everything the government claims to be true (to this day im a 9/11 truther). obama's failures is what radicalized me to the far left. FYI i voted for ron paul in 2008, my first election, because even back then i knew obama was a slick candidate full of sh*t and was just going to continue bush's illegal wars. and i was right. im always right. ive been right for almost 25 years now. i dont even want to be right! i want the world to change for the better, not towards the cynicism i point out!

[easyrider16]

Yes, you are correct, initially and for many years the Guantanamo detainees were denied due process. I think that was wrong. Their torture was also wrong. But their detainment was challenged in Court, and the Supreme Court ultimately decided that the detainees could petition the court for Habeas Corpus which required the government to prove in court that they had actual evidence against the detainees that justified their detainment.

Garcia was denied and is being denied this right.

[asher2789]

Yes, you are correct, initially and for many years the Guantanamo detainees were denied due process. I think that was wrong. Their torture was also wrong. But their detainment was challenged in Court, and the Supreme Court ultimately decided that the detainees could petition the court for Habeas Corpus which required the government to prove in court that they had actual evidence against the detainees that justified their detainment.

Garcia was denied and is being denied this right.

and so far hes only been detained for what, a couple weeks? these guys went years before they got due process, and even then, they were tried in sham military tribunals with CIA interference. what the "terrorists" in guanatanamo went through made garcia's situation possible. the federal government has become increasingly tyrannical with every administration from bush 2 onwards. in the name of "safety".

this is a big reason why im not a liberal. because liberals for the most part go along with the tyranny as long as they get to wield the power. see obama and biden as an example.

the creation of extralegal guantanamo led to the use of el salvador for an extralegal concentration camp. the US constitution does not apply outside of US soil, not even to US citizens after obama drone striked them without due process. wheres the second amendment people at? heres the tyranny they claim theyre gonna fight!

[easyrider16]

One could argue that the Federal Government has been growing increasingly more tyrannical since the Constitution first created the office of the Presidency. As I've said here before, Presidential systems have a tendency to tend toward dictatorship. There's too much power concentrated in the executive branch from the start, and as time goes on the executive branch accumulates more and more power. FDR is an excellent example of this phenomenon. He greatly expanded the power of the executive in many ways, and there was a backlash culminating in the constitutional amendment limiting the President to two terms in office.

Some of the founding fathers warned about this problem and counseled against a separate executive branch concentrated in one person. They suggested this would result in an elected king. Turns out those guys were right.

[XtremeJibber2001]

One could argue that the Federal Government has been growing increasingly more tyrannical since the Constitution first created the office of the Presidency. As I've said here before, Presidential systems have a tendency to tend toward dictatorship. There's too much power concentrated in the executive branch from the start, and as time goes on the executive branch accumulates more and more power. FDR is an excellent example of this phenomenon. He greatly expanded the power of the executive in many ways, and there was a backlash culminating in the constitutional amendment limiting the President to two terms in office.

Some of the founding fathers warned about this problem and counseled against a separate executive branch concentrated in one person. They suggested this would result in an elected king. Turns out those guys were right.

As Kilmar Abrego Garcia is no longer front page news, not even two weeks after a judge's ruling ordering the government to facilitate Garcia's return to the USA ... here's an article capturing some of your points. We are not a serious nation.

As usual, Democrats make this issue more nuanced than it is.

As Democrats rally around Abrego Garcia case, some worry a due process argument won’t land with voters
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/22/politics ... index.html

Democrats’ efforts to land on a winning message against President Donald Trump have led the party to consider how fully to embrace a new, politically complex cause: pressuring the administration to follow a Supreme Court order to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

The party has uniformly spoken in support of Abrego Garcia’s right to due process after he was mistakenly deported to El Salvador last month. But some have expressed concern in recent days over how it has conveyed the nuances of their argument that a violation of one person’s due process rights – regardless of their personal backstory or legal status – threatens everyone in the US. And as Democrats look to take back power in Washington, starting with next year’s midterm elections, how that message is received by voters matters.

Democrats who’ve urged a different approach say they worry that the party isn’t doing enough to broaden the due process argument beyond Abrego Garcia’s case. Others have argued it’s a “distraction” from more politically salient messages on the economy that shifts the conversation to immigration, where Trump holds an advantage with voters.

[asher2789]

Others have argued it’s a “distraction”

i f*** hate the democrats so much. they deserve deportation without due process. f*** cowards. despicable pathetic people. this is why i get offended when people call me a liberal. no, i aint no liberal. this is liberalism. cowardice. losers, the lot of them.

its like theyre fascist collaborators on purpose. history repeating... with vichy schumer leading the party its no surprise really.

china should just get it over with and glass us, we deserve it.

[asher2789]

One could argue that the Federal Government has been growing increasingly more tyrannical since the Constitution first created the office of the Presidency. As I've said here before, Presidential systems have a tendency to tend toward dictatorship. There's too much power concentrated in the executive branch from the start, and as time goes on the executive branch accumulates more and more power. FDR is an excellent example of this phenomenon. He greatly expanded the power of the executive in many ways, and there was a backlash culminating in the constitutional amendment limiting the President to two terms in office.

Some of the founding fathers warned about this problem and counseled against a separate executive branch concentrated in one person. They suggested this would result in an elected king. Turns out those guys were right.

i remain an ardent supporter of the articles of confederation because it created a weak federal government. our founding fathers would be flipping out right now if they saw how much power the executive branch has taken for itself over the years combined with the tech revolution. we are about to face a kind of authoritarianism that orwell couldnt even dream of.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Honestly, he should be impeached for this. He won't be, but he's very clearly violating Constitutionally guaranteed rights and committing a crime by kidnapping and falsely imprisoning an innocent man.

He got very mad when a reporter asked about this case today. I hope a reporter asks him about this case every day until he rights this wrong. What was done here is evil, and only an evil person would defend it.

He will accidentally deport others, maybe US citizens, and using the excuse that “he’s powerless” to get them back from another country.

Our media will move on soon.

It all starts small.

Media moved on quicker than I thought. Already off all the front pages and has been all week.

Meanwhile, DHS last week posted a copy of a civil protective order granted to his wife on Twitter that included her home address. Sure the protection order is publicly accessible, but reached far more people via Twitter.

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/lates ... rcna202761

[Skid Mark]

Others have argued it’s a “distraction”

i f*** hate the democrats so much. they deserve deportation without due process. f*** cowards. despicable pathetic people.

For once I agree with you, but I'm not a fascist like you, so I can go without the deportation part.