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tyrolean_skier wrote:

madhatter wrote:

The population density in NYC is a lot greater than any of the cities in Florida. That's what caused the amount of cases NYC had and most of the NY State cases are from the NYC area. I just talked with my cousin who lives in Florida and he said that after they opened the beaches, they had to reclose them because the Covid19 cases were going back up. I am proud of Cuomo who is being very careful about reopening especially downstate.

DrJeff wrote:The one thing you should keep in mind with photos like that one, is depending on the angle and type of lens the photographer used for the photo, it can make it appear like people who may from the side view are properly social distancing, are actually right on top of one another. If you look at the feet of those towards the foreground in the picture, it appears like there is a decent amount of distance between those in the line, whereas from that angle their torsos look like their closer than 6 feet

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Over 86,500 people have reportedly died in the United States from the Coronavirus, and the fear generated by those deaths is driving the public policy debate. But that number is a dramatic overcount. Our metrics include deaths that have nothing to do with the virus. The problem is even worse as the Centers for Disease Control over counts even some of these cases and the government has created financial incentives for this misreporting. Relying on these flawed numbers is destroying businesses and jobs and costing lives.

“The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains.

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

Medical examiners in Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland Counties, where most of the deaths occurred, medical examiners classify any deaths as Coronavirus deaths when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Still, these broad definitions are not due to a few rogue public health officials. The rules direct them to do this.

madhatter wrote:

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

Mister Moose wrote:

madhatter wrote:

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

We need a number of cases that had clear alternative causes. Otherwise this turns into the same go nowhere argument as say, voter fraud.

“The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains.

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

Medical examiners in Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland Counties, where most of the deaths occurred, medical examiners classify any deaths as Coronavirus deaths when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Still, these broad definitions are not due to a few rogue public health officials. The rules direct them to do this.

Mister Moose wrote:

madhatter wrote:

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

We need a number of cases that had clear alternative causes. Otherwise this turns into the same go nowhere argument as say, voter fraud.

Most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than [current count of 80,000+]. There may be people [in NYC] who died at home who did have COVID-19 who were not counted because they never really got to the hospital. I don't know exactly what percent higher."

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:

Mister Moose wrote:

madhatter wrote:

“It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”

We need a number of cases that had clear alternative causes. Otherwise this turns into the same go nowhere argument as say, voter fraud.

Fauci, as recently as last week, said the following:

Most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than [current count of 80,000+]. There may be people [in NYC] who died at home who did have COVID-19 who were not counted because they never really got to the hospital. I don't know exactly what percent higher."

Now back to more conspiracy theory posts.

madhatter wrote:even the most wildly exaggerated death toll puts the rate at under 1% of US population...BFD....

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:

madhatter wrote:even the most wildly exaggerated death toll puts the rate at under 1% of US population...BFD....

This is the difference between you and I ... you can say big fcking deal to ~3.8 million dead (~1% of US population) ... I cannot.

tyrolean_skier wrote:

madhatter wrote:

The population density in NYC is a lot greater than any of the cities in Florida. That's what caused the amount of cases NYC had and most of the NY State cases are from the NYC area. I just talked with my cousin who lives in Florida and he said that after they opened the beaches, they had to reclose them because the Covid19 cases were going back up. I am proud of Cuomo who is being very careful about reopening especially downstate.

KingsFourMan wrote:

tyrolean_skier wrote:

madhatter wrote:

The population density in NYC is a lot greater than any of the cities in Florida. That's what caused the amount of cases NYC had and most of the NY State cases are from the NYC area. I just talked with my cousin who lives in Florida and he said that after they opened the beaches, they had to reclose them because the Covid19 cases were going back up. I am proud of Cuomo who is being very careful about reopening especially downstate.

The Cuomos job killing taxes and excessive government regulations have helped turn NY State (outside of the metro NYC area) into appalachia if not a 3rd world country. I travelled extensively around Upstate NY for work a few years ago and was blown away by how dismal, depressed and run down it all is. It's shocking, I don't think most people realize how depressed that region of the country is and it's a huge area that includes some decent sized cities. It's been in steep decline for decades and is consistently one of the leading outmigration states in the country. Someone up there once said to me "Liberalism is a disease and NY is terminal."