Thursday Morning...UGH!!

[GSKI]

Obviously from reading your posts I meant to say you are are that guy who brings his young kids to the movies, has the chairlift slow down and would lay lunch out on the hood of someones car and wonder why the owner got mad at him. I have met you many times without ever meeting you.

[Ski_the_Moguls]

If I had kids I would give have them hold onto my arm for a pull up to the seat (I have seen this done often) or ride detachable chairs that slow down and train them to do this on snowshed or Ramshead. I would not ask everybody on the lift to be slowed down so my kid could get to ski before he is tall enough for the chair height. My point is not that I dont want kids skiing its that there are more considerate ways to do it. You probably think its ok to bring a young child to the movies or an expensive restaurant knowing they will probably act like young kids do and start acting up. You sound you have the level of consideration of the guys who decided to lay out their serving trays on the hood of my car so they could have their spring lunch buffet in the bear mountain parking lot. When I threatened to kill them they were shocked and could not understand what they had done wrong.

You seem to have a lot of issues with other people. Including me now? I do not think I am the one with the problem. Thank you for only threatening to kill the "guys" and not the little kids on the lift. That was big of you.

[junior]

Obviously from reading your posts I meant to say you are are that guy who brings his young kids to the movies, has the chairlift slow down and would lay lunch out on the hood of someones car and wonder why the owner got mad at him. I have met you many times without ever meeting you.

Also, try to keep the wax to a minimum from now on. Our trays kept sliding off your hood.

[GSKI]

What I'm saying is that some people, like you, thrive on making other people subservient to their needs and sucking it up. Its a way to say f-you to people without actually having to do it. Kind of passive aggressive. You sound like the guy who goes 65 in the fast lane because that the speed limit and even though you could move over for faster traffic behind you you wont because its your road and thats the speed limit!

[SkiDork]

only partial trail closure for the comp on lower Skyelark (most likely skiers left)

sorry dork but effectively the trail is closed. the part that will be open is the side with less snow and will scraped to within an inch of of it's life (i remember from last year).

understand the need of the programs & races which is why we've been avoiding saturdays when possible, but i don't blame folks who come up saturdays for the sh*t show and are pissed when a significant percentage of the open terrain is closed for races & programs.

no need to apologize. The side used for the comp is, of course the better side due to the location of the pipes. Sorry.

PS if you ski by there stop and say hello, I'll be at my usual video stop at the bottom of the course.

[Ski_the_Moguls]

What I'm saying is that some people, like you, thrive on making other people subservient to their needs and sucking it up. Its a way to say f-you to people without actually having to do it. Kind of passive aggressive. You sound like the guy who goes 65 in the fast lane because that the speed limit and even though you could move over for faster traffic behind you you wont because its your road and thats the speed limit!

Why the unfounded personal attacks? And are you attacking Junior or me? If it is me, then I can tell you that your assumed traits are pretty much the opposite of how I really am.

[junior]

only partial trail closure for the comp on lower Skyelark (most likely skiers left)

sorry dork but effectively the trail is closed. the part that will be open is the side with less snow and will scraped to within an inch of of it's life (i remember from last year).

understand the need of the programs & races which is why we've been avoiding saturdays when possible, but i don't blame folks who come up saturdays for the sh*t show and are pissed when a significant percentage of the open terrain is closed for races & programs.

no need to apologize. The side used for the comp is, of course the better side due to the location of the pipes. Sorry.

PS if you ski by there stop and say hello, I'll be at my usual video stop at the bottom of the course.

WTF Dorque? We're on the verge of the first flame war in here in a long long time, and you go and posts apologies and niceties? WTF?!?!?

[tellitlikeitis]

Yeah thats the answer! Stop complaining and ski somewhere else. I "signed up" for a season pass and I paid my money before these guys in most cases.

You sound like the selfish troop of guys with their little future skiers asking the lift operator to slow down for them on every run. You get 10 of these self centered jerks on the snowdon quad and its slowing down constantly but hey they have a right to do it because they paid their money and its their precious future skiers and important self ego projection. Thank goodness for slow loading high speed lifts limit this problem.

You don't have any kids of your own, do you?

Whether in learning programs or not, kids deserve a chance to ride a lift.

of course kids deserve the chance to ride the lifts.. but as someone with 3 kids, there was never one time that i asked for a lift to be slowed down to load em on it.... they were taught right from the get go proper skiing etiquitte...it wasn't just taught , it was demanded and was a requirement to ski....2 of the 3 had a single day that they chose not lo listen to what was being asked of them ... i can remember them specifically because both the days were borderline epic snow... not full on epic but very close...the incidents in question happened on the front side of lunch and before they knew it, the ski day was over for them...they sat in lodge for the rest of the day while mama and i alternated with the 2 that chose to follow the rules.... and guess what, no more problems... ever... losing the privledge to ski on those days was like a brick in the head....they cried and wailed and all that nonsense and at one point during the crying were taken out to a nice cold car to sit with one of us , but never, ever came close again to not doing what they have been taught to do on the hill to respect others...i hated it when these spoiled punks would run around and terrorize others on the mountain and i vowed it was not gonna happen with me...slowing down the lifts or not is simply a matter of having the adult not be so self aborsorbed and clueless and having their u know what together upon entrance to the lift line...if the kids know that as the time comes to exit the corral , the focus starts and the foolin around stops and that you get your little ass out there pronto, there should be no need to slow down a lift and aggravate other paying customers...any skiing adult with kids should be able to scoop up a little one onto a moving lift fixed or not and not create a disruption... some are just too put out to make such an effort though, from what i have seen...that or it is just beneath them apparently...but in this sport, there sure seems to be a lot of people who feel lots of things are beneath them... so much bad behavior in life can be stopped by actually being a parent with expectations

[SkiDork]

WTF Dorque? We're on the verge of the first flame war in here in a long long time, and you go and posts apologies and niceties? WTF?!?!?

Thats just who I am... Won't you be my neighbor?

[junior]

WTF Dorque? We're on the verge of the first flame war in here in a long long time, and you go and posts apologies and niceties? WTF?!?!?

Thats just who I am... Won't you be my neighbor?

[Ski_the_Moguls]

Yeah thats the answer! Stop complaining and ski somewhere else. I "signed up" for a season pass and I paid my money before these guys in most cases.

You sound like the selfish troop of guys with their little future skiers asking the lift operator to slow down for them on every run. You get 10 of these self centered jerks on the snowdon quad and its slowing down constantly but hey they have a right to do it because they paid their money and its their precious future skiers and important self ego projection. Thank goodness for slow loading high speed lifts limit this problem.

You don't have any kids of your own, do you?

Whether in learning programs or not, kids deserve a chance to ride a lift.

of course kids deserve the chance to ride the lifts.. but as someone with 3 kids, there was never one time that i asked for a lift to be slowed down to load em on it.... they were taught right from the get go proper skiing etiquitte...it wasn't just taught , it was demanded and was a requirement to ski....2 of the 3 had a single day that they chose not lo listen to what was being asked of them ... i can remember them specifically because both the days were borderline epic snow... not full on epic but very close...the incidents in question happened on the front side of lunch and before they knew it, the ski day was over for them...they sat in lodge for the rest of the day while mama and i alternated with the 2 that chose to follow the rules.... and guess what, no more problems... ever... losing the privledge to ski on those days was like a brick in the head....they cried and wailed and all that nonsense and at one point during the crying were taken out to a nice cold car to sit with one of us , but never, ever came close again to not doing what they have been taught to do on the hill to respect others...i hated it when these spoiled punks would run around and terrorize others on the mountain and i vowed it was not gonna happen with me...slowing down the lifts or not is simply a matter of having the adult not be so self aborsorbed and clueless and having their u know what together upon entrance to the lift line...if the kids know that as the time comes to exit the corral , the focus starts and the foolin around stops and that you get your little ass out there pronto, there should be no need to slow down a lift and aggravate other paying customers...any skiing adult with kids should be able to scoop up a little one onto a moving lift fixed or not and not create a disruption... some are just too put out to make such an effort though, from what i have seen...that or it is just beneath them apparently...but in this sport, there sure seems to be a lot of people who feel lots of things are beneath them... so much bad behavior in life can be stopped by actually being a parent with expectations

I, too, taught my children right from the start. Yet I cannot begin to count all the times that the lifties needlessly slowed down a lift just because they saw me with a small child approaching. I would hate to think that you guys blamed me all those times.

[GSKI]

I have also seen the lifties ask if the person with kids wanted the lift slowed down so it would not surprise me if they did this proactively as well. If a liftie did this and I had kids I would ask him not to do it. I try to remember the things people had done that bother others unnecessarily and not do those things myself. Other people try to do the things they know will annoy and inconvenience others unnecessarily as a form a form of passive aggression when another group is simply clueless. A persons country or origin or regional differences can effect the categories.

[ME2VTSkier]

of course kids deserve the chance to ride the lifts.. but as someone with 3 kids, there was never one time that i asked for a lift to be slowed down to load em on it.... they were taught right from the get go proper skiing etiquitte...it wasn't just taught , it was demanded and was a requirement to ski....2 of the 3 had a single day that they chose not lo listen to what was being asked of them ... i can remember them specifically because both the days were borderline epic snow... not full on epic but very close...the incidents in question happened on the front side of lunch and before they knew it, the ski day was over for them...they sat in lodge for the rest of the day while mama and i alternated with the 2 that chose to follow the rules.... and guess what, no more problems... ever... losing the privledge to ski on those days was like a brick in the head....they cried and wailed and all that nonsense and at one point during the crying were taken out to a nice cold car to sit with one of us , but never, ever came close again to not doing what they have been taught to do on the hill to respect others...i hated it when these spoiled punks would run around and terrorize others on the mountain and i vowed it was not gonna happen with me...slowing down the lifts or not is simply a matter of having the adult not be so self aborsorbed and clueless and having their u know what together upon entrance to the lift line...if the kids know that as the time comes to exit the corral , the focus starts and the foolin around stops and that you get your little ass out there pronto, there should be no need to slow down a lift and aggravate other paying customers...any skiing adult with kids should be able to scoop up a little one onto a moving lift fixed or not and not create a disruption... some are just too put out to make such an effort though, from what i have seen...that or it is just beneath them apparently...but in this sport, there sure seems to be a lot of people who feel lots of things are beneath them... so much bad behavior in life can be stopped by actually being a parent with expectations

You sir, and others who raise their children this way, are becoming more and more of a rarity in today's world. Many thanks for affirming my belief in old-fashioned values.

[Bubba]

It's nice to know that on KZone even a thread about bad weather can turn into an argument over something totally unrelated.

As for lifts being slowed a bit so little kids can load more easily, I have no problem with it whether requested by a parent or done proactively by the liftie. If we want these mountains run in the future we need to grab and hold these kids in the sport today. If making life for the little ones a bit easier is the price, I'm OK with it. Anyway, if the lift takes 6 minutes to go from bottom to top and they slow it down for a couple of seconds for 10 different kids, how much time will that really add to your trip? Is it that much of a hardship to waste an extra 30 seconds?

[brownman]

Sounds like we need Rodney King to post here.
Placing blame on kids and programs is misguided.
Ain't their fault that we have limited terrain.

The NCP will move out tomoro.
Be of good cheer !