Impeachment?

[deadheadskier]

That's a slippery slope (pun intended).

I'm old enough to remember when liberals were for the 1st amendment.

Would you be fine with Isis using Twitter within US borders to organize an attack on the Capitol?

Please tell me you are not comparing Trump to ISIS.

Answer the question

[easyrider16]

Inciting a riot is a crime, let alone inciting a riot to put pressure on Congress to overturn a lawful election. This is unprecedented in our history and beyond the pale. His own AG condemned him for it. 5 people including one police officer died as a result of his actions. Not only should he be impeached, he should be prosecuted.

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[XtremeJibber2001]

That's a slippery slope (pun intended).

I'm old enough to remember when liberals were for the 1st amendment.

Would you be fine with Isis using Twitter within US borders to organize an attack on the Capitol?

This is the same reason no vendor is willing to host Parler. In addition to being a platform leading to radicalization and an attempted coup ... it’s also a liability issue for vendors.

[easyrider16]

Free speech never meant free platform. You can say whatever you want, but you can't force a business to print it for you.

It's not just about liability, it's about revenue. If people decide not to advertise on Facebook because they think it allows misinformation and hate to spread, that company will lose money.

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[Seacoaster]

4 years of deflection by the democrat party of their own misdoings culminated in zero results for them(politically), this attempt to impeach has zero to do with the despicable actions of the last week, it is strictly about them being able to say, look, look, we were right this whole time(self justifying). Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference. The party system, both Republicans and Democrats are the problem with this country, they sow division by design to increase their own power over the average citizen.... If you don't see how the parties are destroying this country, you are likely part of the problem as you are blinded by your politics.

[K42]

4 years of deflection by the democrat party of their own misdoings culminated in zero results for them(politically), this attempt to impeach has zero to do with the despicable actions of the last week, it is strictly about them being able to say, look, look, we were right this whole time(self justifying). Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference. The party system, both Republicans and Democrats are the problem with this country, they sow division by design to increase their own power over the average citizen.... If you don't see how the parties are destroying this country, you are likely part of the problem as you are blinded by your politics.

Zero results aye, a democratic president, house and senate may refute that one.

[daytripper]

4 years of deflection by the democrat party of their own misdoings culminated in zero results for them(politically), this attempt to impeach has zero to do with the despicable actions of the last week, it is strictly about them being able to say, look, look, we were right this whole time(self justifying). Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference. The party system, both Republicans and Democrats are the problem with this country, they sow division by design to increase their own power over the average citizen.... If you don't see how the parties are destroying this country, you are likely part of the problem as you are blinded by your politics.

How dare you bring up the events of this summer!!! That destruction of public and private property was for the good of everyone and was 100% different from what happened at the capital. You sir, should be ashamed of yourself!!!

[easyrider16]

Eh, I agree with your take on the two-party system being a problem and the Democrats being hypocrites. But the attack on the Capitol was fundamentally different from the BLM violence. In this case an angry mob tried to storm the seat of the federal government to overturn the results of a lawful election. That's never happened before in our history. It's not just looting and vandalism in this case. It's an attempted coup.

Here are some facts about the riot:

There were 8,000 Trump demonstrators
There were 1,400 Capitol Police
Demonstrators arrived with riot helmets, gas masks, shields, pepper spray, fireworks, climbing gear, explosives, metal pipes, and baseball bats
The outer perimeter of the Capitol Police was breached in 15 minutes

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/natio ... 10111.html

[Seacoaster]

4 years of deflection by the democrat party of their own misdoings culminated in zero results for them(politically), this attempt to impeach has zero to do with the despicable actions of the last week, it is strictly about them being able to say, look, look, we were right this whole time(self justifying). Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference. The party system, both Republicans and Democrats are the problem with this country, they sow division by design to increase their own power over the average citizen.... If you don't see how the parties are destroying this country, you are likely part of the problem as you are blinded by your politics.

Zero results aye, a democratic president, house and senate may refute that one.

I was referring to the constant disinformation campaigns waged and attempted(failed) impeachment that was the focus rather than was the virus. as for the election results, I guess one could make the same argument about 2016, but I am guessing you would see those results conveniently different.
I believe the Republicans did in fact pick up seats in the House, but I could be wrong, not that it matters, the parties are one in the same, ruling class.

[spanky]

Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference.

Sometimes I question if responding is worth it...

Where were “these Democrats”? Maybe Fox/OAN/Newsmax failed to show you these “deep fake” videos:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 576824002/

Open your eyes if you can’t see the difference.

Saying an attempt at overthrowing our government is the same as protesting obvious police brutality and white supremacy/privilege is the textbook definition of a false equivalency.

“There are white people and there are people who happen to be white.”

[Seacoaster]

Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference.

Sometimes I question if responding is worth it...

Where were “these Democrats”? Maybe Fox/OAN/Newsmax failed to show you these “deep fake” videos:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 576824002/

Open your eyes if you can’t see the difference.

Saying an attempt at overthrowing our government is the same as protesting obvious police brutality and white supremacy/privilege is the textbook definition of a false equivalency.

“There are white people and there are people who happen to be white.”

Ok, do you really think that was an actual attempted overthrowing of our government? like a real attempt? We live in a country with millions upon millions of citizens owing firearms, this was literally a few hundred of the rights version of Antifa style idiots acting stupidly. Again, it is completely unacceptable, but to call it an attempted overthrow is a complete stretch. It is similarly a bunch of disenfranchised clowns who actually thought this could make a difference, much like creating autonomous zones, they are naive. All it does it increase the power of the politicians over the people. I agree, open your eyes if you cant see the the similarities, both felt that a right of theirs was infringed upon and reacted like petulant children. As for my news outlets, I predominantly listen(watch) to PBS and VTNPR....

[easyrider16]

Just because it was woefully incompetent and incredibly stupid does not mean it was not an attempt to overthrow the government. Their stated aim was to change the result of the election to keep Trump in power.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference.

Sometimes I question if responding is worth it...

Where were “these Democrats”? Maybe Fox/OAN/Newsmax failed to show you these “deep fake” videos:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 576824002/

Open your eyes if you can’t see the difference.

Saying an attempt at overthrowing our government is the same as protesting obvious police brutality and white supremacy/privilege is the textbook definition of a false equivalency.

“There are white people and there are people who happen to be white.”

Ok, do you really think that was an actual attempted overthrowing of our government? like a real attempt? We live in a country with millions upon millions of citizens owing firearms, this was literally a few hundred of the rights version of Antifa style idiots acting stupidly. Again, it is completely unacceptable, but to call it an attempted overthrow is a complete stretch. It is similarly a bunch of disenfranchised clowns who actually thought this could make a difference, much like creating autonomous zones, they are naive. All it does it increase the power of the politicians over the people. I agree, open your eyes if you cant see the the similarities, both felt that a right of theirs was infringed upon and reacted like petulant children. As for my news outlets, I predominantly listen(watch) to PBS and VTNPR....

Not speaking for Spanky here, but say these folks managed to breach the House or Senate before the members were evacuated. Do you think they would have politely debated Pelosi? Had a chat with AOC? Threw back some cold ones with Pence?

Here's a snippet of quotes directly from one Trump supporter's text messages, obtained by LEO.

Headed to DC with a (s—-) ton of 5.56 armor-piercing ammo,” he texted friends and relatives on Jan. 6, adding a purple devil emoji, according to court filings. The following day, he texted to the group: “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi (C——’s) speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV.” He once again added a purple devil emoji, and wrote he might hit her with his truck instead. “I’m gonna run that (C—-) Pelosi over while she chews on her gums. … Dead (B——) Walking. I predict that within 12 days, many in our country will die.

What did the FBI find when they tracked him down?

They found a compact Tavor X95 assault rifle, a 9mm Glock 19 handgun and about 100 rounds of ammunition, according to court filings

https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-t ... cd6b55cace

[Seacoaster]

Where were these Democrats all summer as our country burned? They were supporting the looters and rioters as they physically harmed police, destroyed police buildings and overrun federal buildings....not sure I truly see any difference.

Sometimes I question if responding is worth it...

Where were “these Democrats”? Maybe Fox/OAN/Newsmax failed to show you these “deep fake” videos:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 576824002/

Open your eyes if you can’t see the difference.

Saying an attempt at overthrowing our government is the same as protesting obvious police brutality and white supremacy/privilege is the textbook definition of a false equivalency.

“There are white people and there are people who happen to be white.”

Ok, do you really think that was an actual attempted overthrowing of our government? like a real attempt? We live in a country with millions upon millions of citizens owing firearms, this was literally a few hundred of the rights version of Antifa style idiots acting stupidly. Again, it is completely unacceptable, but to call it an attempted overthrow is a complete stretch. It is similarly a bunch of disenfranchised clowns who actually thought this could make a difference, much like creating autonomous zones, they are naive. All it does it increase the power of the politicians over the people. I agree, open your eyes if you cant see the the similarities, both felt that a right of theirs was infringed upon and reacted like petulant children. As for my news outlets, I predominantly listen(watch) to PBS and VTNPR....

Not speaking for Spanky here, but say these folks managed to breach the House or Senate before the members were evacuated. Do you think they would have politely debated Pelosi? Had a chat with AOC? Threw back some cold ones with Pence?

Here's a snippet of quotes directly from one Trump supporter's text messages, obtained by LEO.

Headed to DC with a (s—-) ton of 5.56 armor-piercing ammo,” he texted friends and relatives on Jan. 6, adding a purple devil emoji, according to court filings. The following day, he texted to the group: “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi (C——’s) speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV.” He once again added a purple devil emoji, and wrote he might hit her with his truck instead. “I’m gonna run that (C—-) Pelosi over while she chews on her gums. … Dead (B——) Walking. I predict that within 12 days, many in our country will die.

What did the FBI find when they tracked him down?

They found a compact Tavor X95 assault rifle, a 9mm Glock 19 handgun and about 100 rounds of ammunition, according to court filings

https://apnews.com/article/us-capitol-t ... cd6b55cace

Again, completely unacceptable, I would not defend their thoughts or words. Do you not find it odd how fast we get this information, yet, we never here anything about those who say things like Kill the P@gs, fry them in a pan like bacon? Who then attack the police, take over police stations and federal courthouses? Let us not forget, they too killed officers in the events of the summer. I am not defending any of these whack jobs, but we saw pictures of autonomous zone members brandishing AR-15, yet never heard about their messages sent among themselves? If the politicians did their jobs and left the theater out of it, did not use division as a tool, we would have far less issues in this country. Then inject social media playing its games with society and you have the shitshow that we have been seeing.
I find it rich for anyone to defend one of these groups illegal actions then condemn the others, this is not party specific, they are both guilty of the hypocrisy, its simply whether or not it is convenient for them in the moment, which IMO is wrong.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Do you not find it odd how fast we get this information, yet, we never here anything about those who say things like Kill the P@gs, fry them in a pan like bacon?

It's totally sensible we, as a country, would be swift in identify people trying to overthrow our govt and kill police. Not the same as chanting threats. Neither are acceptable, but they're not the same thing.

Who then attack the police, take over police stations and federal courthouses? Let us not forget, they too killed officers in the events of the summer.

See above. Weren't those that killed the officers swiftly identified and caught? I'm not aware of any courthouse siege, but that's besides the point. Sieging the Capitol while the joint congress is in session is not the same as sieging a police station or courthouse.

I am not defending any of these whack jobs, but we saw pictures of autonomous zone members brandishing AR-15, yet never heard about their messages sent among themselves?

I haven't scoured the internet for court filings, but I'm sure the stuff you're seeking is out there. Why it's not in the news ... your guess is as good as mine. There were more arrests made at CHAZ in one day than during the siege of our Capitol, which is a fairly hardened asset. Do you find that odd?

If the politicians did their jobs and left the theater out of it, did not use division as a tool, we would have far less issues in this country. Then inject social media playing its games with society and you have the shitshow that we have been seeing.

Agree with you there, but we both know one cannot be a politician and also have any integrity.

I find it rich for anyone to defend one of these groups illegal actions then condemn the others, this is not party specific, they are both guilty of the hypocrisy, its simply whether or not it is convenient for them in the moment, which IMO is wrong.

It's okay to condemn all acts of violence and also say one is not equal to the other. Looting and burning down a Target is not the same as an attempted coup.