Pretty sure Fauci has said that once community transmission falls to acceptable levels, we won't need masks.
In fact, here:
So when can we stop masking? Fauci wasn’t certain. He did say that “if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of the virus in the community very, very low, then you’ll say, for the most part, we don’t have to wear masks.”
“I want to see [the COVID-19 numbers] go way down,” he continued. “When it goes way down and the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated, then I’d feel comfortable saying we don’t need to wear masks.”
He's looking to the data. That's science not politics.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Feb 23rd, '21, 18:21
Pretty sure Fauci has said that once community transmission falls to acceptable levels, we won't need masks.
In fact, here:
So when can we stop masking? Fauci wasn’t certain. He did say that “if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of the virus in the community very, very low, then you’ll say, for the most part, we don’t have to wear masks.”
“I want to see [the COVID-19 numbers] go way down,” he continued. “When it goes way down and the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated, then I’d feel comfortable saying we don’t need to wear masks.”
He's looking to the data. That's science not politics.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Feb 23rd, '21, 18:21
Pretty sure Fauci has said that once community transmission falls to acceptable levels, we won't need masks.
In fact, here:
So when can we stop masking? Fauci wasn’t certain. He did say that “if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of the virus in the community very, very low, then you’ll say, for the most part, we don’t have to wear masks.”
“I want to see [the COVID-19 numbers] go way down,” he continued. “When it goes way down and the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated, then I’d feel comfortable saying we don’t need to wear masks.”
He's looking to the data. That's science not politics.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Feb 23rd, '21, 18:21
Pretty sure Fauci has said that once community transmission falls to acceptable levels, we won't need masks.
In fact, here:
So when can we stop masking? Fauci wasn’t certain. He did say that “if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of the virus in the community very, very low, then you’ll say, for the most part, we don’t have to wear masks.”
“I want to see [the COVID-19 numbers] go way down,” he continued. “When it goes way down and the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated, then I’d feel comfortable saying we don’t need to wear masks.”
He's looking to the data. That's science not politics.
So the science says another 500 days or so. Then the science says maybe we can look at relaxing requirements, Maybe. Not politics just sheep herding.
I dislike wearing masks as much as the next guy. The notion that wearing a mask somehow makes you a sheep fails logic.
The government loves the role of the Good Shepard caring for the flock. Once they get a widespread compliance with anything that is good like mask wearing there is no way that they will give that power of choice back.
easyrider16 wrote: ↑Feb 23rd, '21, 18:21
Pretty sure Fauci has said that once community transmission falls to acceptable levels, we won't need masks.
In fact, here:
So when can we stop masking? Fauci wasn’t certain. He did say that “if you combine getting most of the people in the country vaccinated with getting the level of the virus in the community very, very low, then you’ll say, for the most part, we don’t have to wear masks.”
“I want to see [the COVID-19 numbers] go way down,” he continued. “When it goes way down and the overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated, then I’d feel comfortable saying we don’t need to wear masks.”
He's looking to the data. That's science not politics.
So the science says another 500 days or so. Then the science says maybe we can look at relaxing requirements, Maybe. Not politics just sheep herding.
I dislike wearing masks as much as the next guy. The notion that wearing a mask somehow makes you a sheep fails logic.
The government loves the role of the Good Shepard caring for the flock. Once they get a widespread compliance with anything that is good like mask wearing there is no way that they will give that power of choice back.
Just like seatbelts, air bags and abs brakes.
Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, then overwhelm you with their experience.
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I think the bigger issue is most people are woefully undereducated about science. So when the experts present the science, people don't understand it and either accept blindly or reject just as blindly.
If, however, you have some grasp of the science, you can tell when someone is bullsh!tting you. Which is why it was easy for some to see through Trump's bullsh!t about covid, and why Fauci by contrast has a lot of credibility.
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Good morning. “Covid zero” isn’t going to happen — but normal life still can.
‘Risk elimination? Impossible.’
Ten years ago, a deadly infectious disease killed more than 36,000 Americans. The next year, it killed 12,000 more. And over each of the following eight years, the same disease caused between 22,000 and 62,000 deaths.
That disease is influenza — also known as the flu — and it ranks among the 15 leading causes of death in the United States.
Talking about the effects of a typical flu is somewhat fraught these days. We are living through the worst pandemic in a century, one that is of a different order of magnitude from influenza. In the early months of Covid-19, some people who were trying to deny its severity, including President Donald Trump, claimed that it was barely worse than the flu. That’s false.
Soon, however, the flu will become a meaningful point of comparison.
In the coming months, Covid will probably recede, as a result of vaccinations and growing natural immunity. But it will not disappear. “Some people have gotten this idea that we’re going to get to ‘Covid zero,’” Dr. Amesh Adalja of Johns Hopkins University told me. “That’s not realistic. It’s a fantasy.”
Not zero, but normalcy
Covid is caused by a coronavirus — known as SARS-CoV-2 — and coronaviruses often circulate for years, causing respiratory infections and the common cold. The world is not going to extinguish coronaviruses anytime soon, nor will it extinguish this specific one. “The coronavirus is here to stay,” as a recent article in the science journal Nature, by Nicky Phillips, concluded.
The reasonable goal is to make it manageable, much like the seasonal flu. Fortunately, the vaccines are doing that. In fact, they’re doing better than that. For fully vaccinated people, serious illness from Covid is extremely rare, much rarer than serious illness from the seasonal flu.
Israel, the country that has vaccinated the largest share of its population, offers a case study. One recent analysis looked at 602,000 Israelis who had received Covid vaccines and found that only 21 later contracted the virus and had to be hospitalized. Twenty-one is obviously not zero. Vaccines are almost never perfect. But the Covid vaccines are turning it into the sort of risk that people accept every day.
Here’s a useful way to think about Israel’s numbers: Only 3.5 out of every 100,000 people vaccinated there were later hospitalized with Covid symptoms. During a typical flu season in the U.S., by comparison, roughly 150 out of every 100,000 people are hospitalized with flu symptoms.
And yet the seasonal flu does not grind life to a halt. It does not keep people from flying on airplanes, eating in restaurants, visiting their friends or going to school and work.
The vaccines will not produce “Covid zero.” But they are on pace — eventually, and perhaps even by summer — to produce something that looks a lot like normalcy. The rare exceptions won’t change that, no matter how much attention they receive.
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Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Feb 23rd, '21, 19:42
The government loves the role of the Good Shepard caring for the flock. Once they get a widespread compliance with anything that is good like mask wearing there is no way that they will give that power of choice back.
GIS requests DOJ probe Hunter Biden for potential ties to mask industry.
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I'm sure the news purveyors are happy to have something that attracts people's attention and gets them more eyeballs. Nothing's better for that than a super famous athlete getting into a serious accident. People are tired of hearing about Covid.
That notwithstanding, in the last two weeks there have been two acquaintances of mine who died of Covid. One of them was a fairly young guy in apparent good health. Stark reminder this thing is still happening, and it's still claiming lives.
daytripper wrote: ↑Feb 24th, '21, 14:14
Seems like the biggest issue in the country right now is tiger woods accident, not covid.....tiger is getting top of the hour coverage everywhere.
