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madhatter wrote:In Show Of "Goodwill", Beijing Exempts US Pork, Soybeans From Trade-War Tariffs

Rez wrote:China has no leverage in this game. Their only hope is to have one of the socialists we saw on tv last night get re-elected and that ain't happening. Game over.

Mister Moose wrote:

Rez wrote:China has no leverage in this game. Their only hope is to have one of the socialists we saw on tv last night get re-elected and that ain't happening. Game over.

It's not game over, and never will be. China will be a lasting player on the world stage, and as they educate more of their population they will slowly learn how to innovate instead of just copy. right now they really have no need to create when they can simply rip off the technology and produce it cheaper forcing the original innovators to innovate again, which the chinese will in turn ripoff again...the real lasting damage to china is the exodus of US companies in search of a new source of cheap labor, with access to shipping and raw materials...many will find their way back to the US many will not... The best we can do is get the loaded dice off the board and make sure we own Boardwalk, Park Place, Pacific, North Carolina, Pennsylvania Aves, and all 4 railroads.

KPdemento wrote:Moose is correct. The only thing we disagree on is how best to accomplish that goal.

Many Chinese executives in the burgeoning tech sector take umbrage at the idea they don’t innovate. They feel increasingly confident they can compete head to head, engineer by engineer, with the best in Silicon Valley, Israel or other innovation hubs.

For example:

Huawei, the world leader in networking equipment and now #3 smartphone maker, has unparalleled technical breadth and has refined its models both in China and the developing world to the point where it now dominates in some Western markets.

Xiaomi, which took the smartphone industry by storm several years ago to enter the top 10 smartphone makers worldwide, produces great designs at affordable prices. It took an innovative approach to marketing by selling online only, with new models emerging rapidly. Xiaomi’s operational efficiency is second to none.

Alibaba, the largest ecommerce company in the world (the company jokes it should not be compared to Amazon, as it is so much bigger), has revolutionized the way small businesses sell and has created one of the most sophisticated and lucrative retail online ecosystems in the world. No wonder their one-day sale on November 11 (China’s “Singles Day”) grosses more revenue than Black Friday and Cyber Monday combined.

TenCent, whose Wechat application may be the world’s most dominant, with 960 million users, has not only surpassed Facebook to become the world’s fifth-most valuable company, but has become a case study for mobile gaming and the fremium model to generate revenue.

DJI is the world’s top drone maker, while Haier and Midea, top white goods and electronics manufacturers, are producing high and low-end market winners. All are rapidly upping their game through robotics and internet applications. (Midea bought Kuka, a leading German robotics maker).

These firms and many others have succeeded by applying a mix of world-class management and adapting to China’s highly competitive domestic market. Cities like Shenzhen have become software hubs for sectors such as the IOT by providing access to rapid and cost-effective hardware manufacturing.

Kpdemello wrote:Might want to rethink that perspective.

Many Chinese executives in the burgeoning tech sector take umbrage at the idea they don’t innovate. They feel increasingly confident they can compete head to head, engineer by engineer, with the best in Silicon Valley, Israel or other innovation hubs.

For example:

Huawei, the world leader in networking equipment and now #3 smartphone maker, has unparalleled technical breadth and has refined its models both in China and the developing world to the point where it now dominates in some Western markets.

Xiaomi, which took the smartphone industry by storm several years ago to enter the top 10 smartphone makers worldwide, produces great designs at affordable prices. It took an innovative approach to marketing by selling online only, with new models emerging rapidly. Xiaomi’s operational efficiency is second to none.

Alibaba, the largest ecommerce company in the world (the company jokes it should not be compared to Amazon, as it is so much bigger), has revolutionized the way small businesses sell and has created one of the most sophisticated and lucrative retail online ecosystems in the world. No wonder their one-day sale on November 11 (China’s “Singles Day”) grosses more revenue than Black Friday and Cyber Monday combined.

TenCent, whose Wechat application may be the world’s most dominant, with 960 million users, has not only surpassed Facebook to become the world’s fifth-most valuable company, but has become a case study for mobile gaming and the fremium model to generate revenue.

DJI is the world’s top drone maker, while Haier and Midea, top white goods and electronics manufacturers, are producing high and low-end market winners. All are rapidly upping their game through robotics and internet applications. (Midea bought Kuka, a leading German robotics maker).

These firms and many others have succeeded by applying a mix of world-class management and adapting to China’s highly competitive domestic market. Cities like Shenzhen have become software hubs for sectors such as the IOT by providing access to rapid and cost-effective hardware manufacturing.

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Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Kpdemello wrote:

Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Never said this, but it certainly would help your position if you could post actual data, or maybe an article or two that backs up your point of view. Discussion without data is just meaningless jabber.

Mister Moose wrote:

Kpdemello wrote:

Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Never said this, but it certainly would help your position if you could post actual data, or maybe an article or two that backs up your point of view. Discussion without data is just meaningless jabber.

Because published internet jabber is just so much more, you know, more meaningful than our lowly forum jabber.

What about analysis? Independent thought? Ideas? Refutation of data through other sources and observations. For instance, I can collect tons of data from people who think more grooming should be done on a powder day, they can't ski in it and they complain. Does that mean conditions suck, and we must believe it because there's almighty data to support the notion?

You need to get out more.

Kpdemello wrote:

Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Never said this, but it certainly would help your position if you could post actual data, or maybe an article or two that backs up your point of view. Discussion without data is just meaningless jabber.

Mister Moose wrote:

Kpdemello wrote:

Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Never said this, but it certainly would help your position if you could post actual data, or maybe an article or two that backs up your point of view. Discussion without data is just meaningless jabber.

Because published internet jabber is just so much more, you know, more meaningful than our lowly forum jabber.

What about analysis? Independent thought? Ideas? Refutation of data through other sources and observations. For instance, I can collect tons of data from people who think more grooming should be done on a powder day, they can't ski in it and they complain. Does that mean conditions suck, and we must believe it because there's almighty data to support the notion?

You need to get out more.

Rez wrote:

Kpdemello wrote:

Rez wrote:I love how people find articles and post them like every article written speaks the truth.

Never said this, but it certainly would help your position if you could post actual data, or maybe an article or two that backs up your point of view. Discussion without data is just meaningless jabber.

My perspective is based on decades of experience in technology including actually going to China and selling technology to Chinese companies. The Chinese don't innovate as much as they copy, rip off. They've built their economy on low cost manufacturing. Have they engineers some decent products? Of course they have. But they are no where near the U.S. or the West in innovation. If you don't accept or understand then you're clueless.

So go ahead and google for meaningless articles to prove your point.