exactly ... it felt like it was run by a bunch of ski freaks (like myself) as opposed to a bunch of bean counters who let counting beans get in the way of the vision. as opposed to powdr where i just feel like another bean (paying my money entitles me to x and not a penny more), it was fun & it was human. too much was not enough and still they were able to count lots of beans ...RENO wrote: Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
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It is what the new owners (and those now here who come from the west) don't realize - Killington is not a collection of lifts and trails that make up a ski area. Killington is a brand, and everything that goes with it. That brand took almost 50 years to build and that's what people who ski here and live here know and expect. New ownership believes it has to run things differently and do things differently - seemingly out of their own western playbook - and people who know and understand the brand simply reject that approach. Unless new ownership can espouse THEIR brand alternative and sell that brand to the community (both the local community and the skier community) they will continue failing miserably at rebuilding their relationship with the town as well as with rebuilding this resort's skier numbers. Powdr thought it bought a ski area when, in fact, they bought an icon.skiadikt wrote:exactly ... it felt like it was run by a bunch of ski freaks (like myself) as opposed to a bunch of bean counters who let counting beans get in the way of the vision. as opposed to powdr where i just feel like another bean (paying my money entitles me to x and not a penny more), it was fun & it was human. too much was not enough and still they were able to count lots of beans ...RENO wrote: Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
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"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function" =
F. Scott Fitzgerald
"There's nothing more frightening than ignorance in action" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
How could they not know that . . . seems to me, you do not spend millions and millions of dollars on something without doing a sh*itload of due diligence!?!?!Bubba wrote:It is what the new owners (and those now here who come from the west) don't realize - Killington is not a collection of lifts and trails that make up a ski area. Killington is a brand, and everything that goes with it. That brand took almost 50 years to build and that's what people who ski here and live here know and expect. New ownership believes it has to run things differently and do things differently - seemingly out of their own western playbook - and people who know and understand the brand simply reject that approach. Unless new ownership can espouse THEIR brand alternative and sell that brand to the community (both the local community and the skier community) they will continue failing miserably at rebuilding their relationship with the town as well as with rebuilding this resort's skier numbers. Powdr thought it bought a ski area when, in fact, they bought an icon.skiadikt wrote:exactly ... it felt like it was run by a bunch of ski freaks (like myself) as opposed to a bunch of bean counters who let counting beans get in the way of the vision. as opposed to powdr where i just feel like another bean (paying my money entitles me to x and not a penny more), it was fun & it was human. too much was not enough and still they were able to count lots of beans ...RENO wrote: Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
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XtremeJibber2001
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I spoke with Karen last week, and Yes, she is releasing an updated version of her book soon.SkiDork wrote:She did.RENO wrote:skiingsnow is pretty rabid when it comes to positive posting, but there's plenty of rabid negative posters too. It's all entertaining to me and very hilarious! It's what makes KZone a nuthouse!It's also amazing how quickly the SS bashing begins seconds after he posts. I think some people must have their blackberries, pagers, etc... set to go off when he logs on and starts posting...
Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
Who said she's writing another K book?
Go that way, really fast.
If something gets in your way, turn.
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Agreed. You can't change an icon - any attempt to change said icon results in rejection - even in some cases when the proposed change is potentially good.Bubba wrote:It is what the new owners (and those now here who come from the west) don't realize - Killington is not a collection of lifts and trails that make up a ski area. Killington is a brand, and everything that goes with it. That brand took almost 50 years to build and that's what people who ski here and live here know and expect. New ownership believes it has to run things differently and do things differently - seemingly out of their own western playbook - and people who know and understand the brand simply reject that approach. Unless new ownership can espouse THEIR brand alternative and sell that brand to the community (both the local community and the skier community) they will continue failing miserably at rebuilding their relationship with the town as well as with rebuilding this resort's skier numbers. Powdr thought it bought a ski area when, in fact, they bought an icon.skiadikt wrote:exactly ... it felt like it was run by a bunch of ski freaks (like myself) as opposed to a bunch of bean counters who let counting beans get in the way of the vision. as opposed to powdr where i just feel like another bean (paying my money entitles me to x and not a penny more), it was fun & it was human. too much was not enough and still they were able to count lots of beans ...RENO wrote: Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
Take for example Fenway park. Over the past 10 or so years, different plans have surfaced about rebuilding the park to increase capacity. All of which have been rejected - even by those fans who find it difficult to get tickets. Fenway is old, smelly, small and cramped - a truly amazing icon of Boston and the Red Sox. New management has stated that they will never attempt to add too much additional seating, because they want to remain the smallest ball park and preserve the 'icon'
"Also, to those who hate boarders? Check yourselves - we saved the ski industry and without us you’d be riding two-person chairs paying 200 dollar lift tickets..." NYTimes Blog
Killington was mostly about brand to me. I grew up making weekend visits a few times per season. I always remember there being tons of snow and skiing in my t-shirt, oftentimes into June. I remember riding the Northeast Passage, the 25 min long Gondola, the Peak Chair, the Ram's Head double, the Snowdon Double, the Needle's Double, Juggernaut, etc. and so on.
The ASC clowns spent some money, but made some moves that started to ruin my image of Killington such as Ram's head and Sunrise.
Not being open early and late is the final nail in the coffin I think as far as brand. I just assume drive half as far and ski Mount Slow, which I started doing last year more and more. The terrain at Killington was and always will be great, but the brand and image (mostly awe of the place) was more of what brought me there.
The ASC clowns spent some money, but made some moves that started to ruin my image of Killington such as Ram's head and Sunrise.
Not being open early and late is the final nail in the coffin I think as far as brand. I just assume drive half as far and ski Mount Slow, which I started doing last year more and more. The terrain at Killington was and always will be great, but the brand and image (mostly awe of the place) was more of what brought me there.
all the cool kids are doing it.newpylong wrote:Killington was mostly about brand to me. I grew up making weekend visits a few times per season. I always remember there being tons of snow and skiing in my t-shirt, oftentimes into June. I remember riding the Northeast Passage, the 25 min long Gondola, the Peak Chair, the Ram's Head double, the Snowdon Double, the Needle's Double, Juggernaut, etc. and so on.
The ASC clowns spent some money, but made some moves that started to ruin my image of Killington such as Ram's head and Sunrise.
Not being open early and late is the final nail in the coffin I think as far as brand. I just assume drive half as far and ski Mount Slow, which I started doing last year more and more. The terrain at Killington was and always will be great, but the brand and image (mostly awe of the place) was more of what brought me there.
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My favorite one was where he was working with PowerPoint for the first time, in the conference room, as says something like “Press start and up comes the tool bar (thatswhatshesaid)…”RENO wrote:So she said that?KBL Ed wrote:In other words... That's what she said!SkiDork wrote:She did.RENO wrote:Who said she's writing another K book?
LOL!
Eh, it always was my home mountain. It was nice having the All4One but not much incentive to travel so much now.
It's nice to owners who give a damn too.
It's nice to owners who give a damn too.
sLoPeS wrote:all the cool kids are doing it.newpylong wrote:Killington was mostly about brand to me. I grew up making weekend visits a few times per season. I always remember there being tons of snow and skiing in my t-shirt, oftentimes into June. I remember riding the Northeast Passage, the 25 min long Gondola, the Peak Chair, the Ram's Head double, the Snowdon Double, the Needle's Double, Juggernaut, etc. and so on.
The ASC clowns spent some money, but made some moves that started to ruin my image of Killington such as Ram's head and Sunrise.
Not being open early and late is the final nail in the coffin I think as far as brand. I just assume drive half as far and ski Mount Slow, which I started doing last year more and more. The terrain at Killington was and always will be great, but the brand and image (mostly awe of the place) was more of what brought me there.
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I had sent her an email asking her if she was planning to update her book and getting it published again and this was part of her response.RENO wrote:skiingsnow is pretty rabid when it comes to positive posting, but there's plenty of rabid negative posters too. It's all entertaining to me and very hilarious! It's what makes KZone a nuthouse!
Also, the Karen Lorentz Killington book is great. I was reading it last weekend and it's so amazing how things used to be. Everybody was so close. The resort's mgmt and employees were one with the community. It was one big happy family. There was no us and them. People would come to town to ski bum and total strangers would take them in, feed them, etc... It was just a different world then.
Who said she's writing another K book?
From: "Karen Lorentz"
Subject: Re: Your book on Killington
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:35:30 -0400
To: tyrolean_skier
......I plan to have the updated book out for
fall ....
Karen
