Can the Republican Party Be Saved?

[Heywood jablowmee]

Oh man….. take a freakin break…

[XtremeJibber2001]

I must be part of Evangelical 2.0 because this is not taught at my church at all. Unfortunately, I think the fringe folks are the most visible and outspoken so they become 'mainstream evangelicalism'. Did your church teach this? It's not even in the New Testament.

Sure it is.

Ephesians 5:22-33 MEV
Wives, be submissive to your own husbands as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the head and Savior of the church, which is His body. But as the church submits to Christ, so also let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

Just going to pick on this one, because I know it's popular to cite this as 'evidence' wives should submit to their husbands. However, this is not how I was taught this means.

Submission here doesn't mean inferior and doesn't mean she must be silent, etc. Paul is talking about submitting to the mission of God. The mission is obeying Him. That the mission is more important than the husband or wife's individual desires. Not I nor my wife are more important than our marriage under God. We submit unto one another.

I think interpretation is part of the problem as many Christians wrongly cite this verse, and others like it, as if the wife should submit to the husband as if the husband is God himself.

I'm a Christian, but I take issue with implementing Christianity into schools and laws. Biblically, God’s gift of salvation doesn’t become ours until we accept it. We can refuse HIs gift just the same. What would Christianity be without freewill? God's offer would probably be meaningless without it. That's why I don't understand the interest, by Christians, to implement God's commands into school/law.

Easy, would be interested in your take.

My take is that people are tribal, that religion is a powerful form of tribalism, and evangelicals are a tribe that wants to exercise control and influence over everyone. They think it's God's will, but in reality it's just the very common human need to feel safe and in control in an unsafe and uncontrollable world. Then sooner or later, a narcissistic leader like Khomeini comes along and preaches what these people want to hear so he can recruit these sheep into an army to achieve absolute power.

I agree.

Would you agree, based on your understanding of The Bible, Christ did not want Christianity to become the law of the land (e.g., compel / force people to live by His commands)?

[easyrider16]

I would agree. If you look at what Jesus actually said and did, he stayed far away from politics. The one time he did confront politics, he refused to endorse calls for Jewish rebellion and said render unto Ceaser.

[Bubba]

Meanwhile, it should now be obvious to everyone that many if not most Republicans want immigration to remains an issue for the election

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna137879

[Low Rider]

Meanwhile, it should now be obvious to everyone that many if not most Republicans want immigration to remains an issue for the election

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna137879

Painfully Obvious.

[spanky]

Meanwhile, it should now be obvious to everyone that many if not most Republicans want immigration to remains an issue for the election

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna137879

The resolution (HR 815) failed the senate by a vote of 50-49. But there were several D’s that voted Nay…

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ ... _00039.htm

Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Padilla (D-CA)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Warren (D-MA)

What am I missing? It sure seems like this wasn’t completely the R’s fault.

[Low Rider]

Meanwhile, it should now be obvious to everyone that many if not most Republicans want immigration to remains an issue for the election

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna137879

The resolution (HR 815) failed the senate by a vote of 50-49. But there were several D’s that voted Nay…

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ ... _00039.htm

Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Padilla (D-CA)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Warren (D-MA)

What am I missing? It sure seems like this wasn’t completely the R’s fault.

Actually it was 49-50. So 6 of the farthest left democrats voted no and 44 republicans. Even if all democrats voted for it this would not have broken through the 60 vote threshold.

This is on the republicans. They are not serious about border security.

Also, Schumer no vote was a procedural move so he could potentially bring it back to the floor at some point… other wise he was a yes.

[spanky]

49-50 or “failed 50-49”… six of one and a half dozen of another. ;)

Ah yes, that pesky three fifths for cloture. I was (obviously) thinking simple majority.

[Low Rider]

49-50 or “failed 50-49”… six of one and a half dozen of another. ;)

Ah yes, that pesky three fifths for cloture. I was (obviously) thinking simple majority.

Guess I didn’t read your praising closely enough

FWIW, I was disappointed in how my MA senators voted.

[spanky]

Well, at least they appear to be advancing the, more important (IMO), foreign aid...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... d-00140868

I'm not a fan of the turtle, but I'm glad he's showing a bit of sanity here:

“I know it’s become quite fashionable in some circles to disregard the global interests we have as a global power. To bemoan the responsibilities of global leadership,” McConnell said. “This is idle work for idle minds. And it has no place in the United States Senate.”

[Bubba]

Well, at least they appear to be advancing the, more important (IMO), foreign aid...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... d-00140868

I'm not a fan of the turtle, but I'm glad he's showing a bit of sanity here:

“I know it’s become quite fashionable in some circles to disregard the global interests we have as a global power. To bemoan the responsibilities of global leadership,” McConnell said. “This is idle work for idle minds. And it has no place in the United States Senate.”

Meanwhile, some senators are saying they won’t vote for it unless it’s tied to a border bill; this after they tanked their own bill.

[Bubba]

Well, at least they appear to be advancing the, more important (IMO), foreign aid...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... d-00140868

I'm not a fan of the turtle, but I'm glad he's showing a bit of sanity here:

“I know it’s become quite fashionable in some circles to disregard the global interests we have as a global power. To bemoan the responsibilities of global leadership,” McConnell said. “This is idle work for idle minds. And it has no place in the United States Senate.”

Meanwhile, some senators are saying they won’t vote for it unless it’s tied to a border bill; this after they tanked their own bill.

Now Speaker Johnson says the aid bill is DOA because it doesn’t include border provisions. Hypocrisy thy name is GOP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... on-senate/

[easyrider16]

Well, at least they appear to be advancing the, more important (IMO), foreign aid...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... d-00140868

I'm not a fan of the turtle, but I'm glad he's showing a bit of sanity here:

“I know it’s become quite fashionable in some circles to disregard the global interests we have as a global power. To bemoan the responsibilities of global leadership,” McConnell said. “This is idle work for idle minds. And it has no place in the United States Senate.”

Meanwhile, some senators are saying they won’t vote for it unless it’s tied to a border bill; this after they tanked their own bill.

Now Speaker Johnson says the aid bill is DOA because it doesn’t include border provisions. Hypocrisy thy name is GOP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... on-senate/

First they tank the border security bill, now house Republicans are planning to tank this bipartisan national security/foreign aid bill - both purely for political reasons and not the merits. Meanwhile, instead of focusing on these important issues, the House is going to focus on Biden's age - again, purely for political reasons.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/13/biden- ... hur-report

What a bunch of irresponsible losers the GOP has become. I do not see how anyone can in good conscience continue to vote for these clowns.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Well, at least they appear to be advancing the, more important (IMO), foreign aid...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... d-00140868

I'm not a fan of the turtle, but I'm glad he's showing a bit of sanity here:

“I know it’s become quite fashionable in some circles to disregard the global interests we have as a global power. To bemoan the responsibilities of global leadership,” McConnell said. “This is idle work for idle minds. And it has no place in the United States Senate.”

Meanwhile, some senators are saying they won’t vote for it unless it’s tied to a border bill; this after they tanked their own bill.

Now Speaker Johnson says the aid bill is DOA because it doesn’t include border provisions. Hypocrisy thy name is GOP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... on-senate/

First they tank the border security bill, now house Republicans are planning to tank this bipartisan national security/foreign aid bill - both purely for political reasons and not the merits. Meanwhile, instead of focusing on these important issues, the House is going to focus on Biden's age - again, purely for political reasons.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/13/biden- ... hur-report

What a bunch of irresponsible losers the GOP has become. I do not see how anyone can in good conscience continue to vote for these clowns.

I will continue to stand* with and for Ukraine’s freedom until every Russian soldier is expelled from Ukrainian territory

What Zelensky didn't realize is when Lindsey said 'will continue to stand' there was an asterisk. The asterisk meant he would do a 180 if asked to do so by Dear Leader.

Truth is, Trump will do anything he can to get nation state election support.

[G-smashed]

Meanwhile today is the special election for liar George Santos's seat and Maga Pilip is running neck and neck with moderate Tom Suozzi. This shouldn't even be a contest. This is a chance to neuter Trump puppet Mike Johnson and begin to put Trumpism into the cesspool of history where it belongs,