Snowmaking and Terrain Expansion Thread (2024-2025)

[Stormchaser]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and at SR - "Cascades is currently open for skiing, but be advised that walking is required to make it back to Barker Basin. Our patrol team highly recommends downloading via the Locke Mountain Triple."

the horse has been beaten to a pulp many times on this. the "effort" is there. you don't think they wanna get ttb asap. given the demands for WC, there have been no real opportunities to get ttb and keep it open. also GN through lower bunny is over twice as long as t2>cascade and has some unfavorable exposures. a long shot at best, they could have "painted" it with it quickly melting out. as it is they barely got UEF open. and yeah their priorities have changed. they no longer throw good money after bad.

once again like or not, at this point K has made more snow than anyone else. maybe you should be bitching to FIS and mother nature.

How did Skippy get so many user passwords on this site? The deluded infatuation with ops is identifiable. Spill it skiingsnow.

[MrsG]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and at SR - "Cascades is currently open for skiing, but be advised that walking is required to make it back to Barker Basin. Our patrol team highly recommends downloading via the Locke Mountain Triple."

the horse has been beaten to a pulp many times on this. the "effort" is there. you don't think they wanna get ttb asap. given the demands for WC, there have been no real opportunities to get ttb and keep it open. also GN through lower bunny is over twice as long as t2>cascade and has some unfavorable exposures. a long shot at best, they could have "painted" it with it quickly melting out. as it is they barely got UEF open. and yeah their priorities have changed. they no longer throw good money after bad.

once again like or not, at this point K has made more snow than anyone else. maybe you should be bitching to FIS and mother nature.

How did Skippy get so many user passwords on this site? The deluded infatuation with ops is identifiable. Spill it skiingsnow.

Damn stormy, you seem to be in some kind of funk the past year

[newpylong1]

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They had the temps and the window, they just didn’t have the capacity to do so simultaneously for both the customers and the WC.
Maybe with the conversion from diesel to electric compressors, mentioned in the other thread, they will have the capacity to do so in the future.

I would not hold your breath. If they add additional electric compressors it will be to replace capacity usually leased, not to augment it. The 72,000 CFM they lease+own every fall is already double the air capacity of the next guy in line. New Centacs on average run a quarter of a million dollars a piece plus cooling infrastructure.

The only way you're going to see them be able to run T2B and the cup venue full bore is if it's cold enough to utilize enough Low E equipment to make that possible, it's as simple as that.

[snoloco]

I think what is needed is to massively increase their water capacity and use low e guns on Superstar and Skye Lark. They tried this year, but as soon as they got antsy, the K3000s came out and public terrain expansion came to a grinding halt.

[skiadikt]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and at SR - "Cascades is currently open for skiing, but be advised that walking is required to make it back to Barker Basin. Our patrol team highly recommends downloading via the Locke Mountain Triple."

the horse has been beaten to a pulp many times on this. the "effort" is there. you don't think they wanna get ttb asap. given the demands for WC, there have been no real opportunities to get ttb and keep it open. also GN through lower bunny is over twice as long as t2>cascade and has some unfavorable exposures. a long shot at best, they could have "painted" it with it quickly melting out. as it is they barely got UEF open. and yeah their priorities have changed. they no longer throw good money after bad.

once again like or not, at this point K has made more snow than anyone else. maybe you should be bitching to FIS and mother nature.

How did Skippy get so many user passwords on this site? The deluded infatuation with ops is identifiable. Spill it skiingsnow.

ok i'll spill it ...

this coming from a guy who cried for attention by wearing "hey look at me" speakers on his helmet. or how about posting a foto you claimed to take, of a run you claimed to ski only go find you STOLE the foto (award winning i might add) and never skied the run.

[Stormchaser]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

and at SR - "Cascades is currently open for skiing, but be advised that walking is required to make it back to Barker Basin. Our patrol team highly recommends downloading via the Locke Mountain Triple."

the horse has been beaten to a pulp many times on this. the "effort" is there. you don't think they wanna get ttb asap. given the demands for WC, there have been no real opportunities to get ttb and keep it open. also GN through lower bunny is over twice as long as t2>cascade and has some unfavorable exposures. a long shot at best, they could have "painted" it with it quickly melting out. as it is they barely got UEF open. and yeah their priorities have changed. they no longer throw good money after bad.

once again like or not, at this point K has made more snow than anyone else. maybe you should be bitching to FIS and mother nature.

How did Skippy get so many user passwords on this site? The deluded infatuation with ops is identifiable. Spill it skiingsnow.

ok i'll spill it ...

this coming from a guy who cried for attention by wearing "hey look at me" speakers on his helmet. or how about posting a foto you claimed to take, of a run you claimed to ski only go find you STOLE the foto (award winning i might add) and never skied the run.

Wow Phil. Thought you were better than that. Really did. What a disappointment.

[rogman]

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[MrsG]

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[Stormchaser]

Wow XXX Thought you were better than that. Really did. What a disappointment.

Doxing? Never cool.

Oh please, get a grip. Calling skiadikt by his first name is hardly a dox. However dragging up history from 20 years ago from a lonely and misguided kid is some how cool? Gotcha. Eat a dick.

[asher2789]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

this year they never had the temps to go top to bottom. only now, with the recent snowfall, is it possible. killington doesnt control the weather. im sure if it was up to solimano it would snow a foot every night and be bluebird every day with no wind and perfect temperatures. but this isnt colorado, its vermont. during global warming. and burlington leads the country in terms of change in average temperature, it is up over 8ºF since the 1970s.

Historical opening dates at Killington Resort

2024/25: Nov. 14

2023/24: Nov. 3

2022/23: Nov. 17

2021/22: Nov. 5

2020/21: Nov. 20

2019/20: Nov. 3

2018/19: Oct. 19

2017/18: Nov. 8

2016/17: Oct. 25

2015/16: Oct. 18

2014/15: Nov. 3

2013/14: Oct. 23

2012/13: Oct. 13

2011/12: Oct. 29

2010/11: Nov. 2

2009/10: Nov. 7

2008/09: Nov. 2-6, Nov. 19

2007/08: Nov. 16

2006/07: Nov. 23

2005/06: Oct. 29-30; Nov. 19

2004/05: Nov. 9:

2003/04: Nov. 10

2002/03: Oct. 25

2001/02: Nov. 6

2000/01: Oct. 29

1999/00: Oct. 25

1998/99: Oct. 22

1997/98: Oct. 1

1996/97: Oct. 4

1995/96: Oct. 17

1994/95: Oct. 3

1993/94: Oct. 1

1992/93: Oct. 1

1991/92: Oct. 21

1990/91: Oct. 27

1989/90: Oct. 10

1988/89: Oct. 13

1987/88: Oct. 12

from https://mountaintimes.info/2024/11/20/s ... on-nov-14/

so for the last 6 years weve opened in november, half of them in mid november, and youre mad youre taking the stairs when theyve not even been open for two whole weeks yet? dude go work harder or win the lottery or something and go be a rich person somewhere else where the snow conditions and lifts meet your liking, or better yet just go heli ski around the world and change the weather like you change your underwear. because clearly you cant be happy with what youve got here...

They had the temps and the window, they just didn’t have the capacity to do so simultaneously for both the customers and the WC.
Maybe with the conversion from diesel to electric compressors, mentioned in the other thread, they will have the capacity to do so in the future.

not for top to bottom, except when they initially blew north ridge. temperatures and wet bulbs have been extremely marginal this season. kzone acts like the mountain is intentionally not blowing. if they could, they would.

i guess well see how next years early season rolls out, i believe this is gonna be the last world cup for a while.

anyway, rumor is tomorrow the stairs will be retired.

[asher2789]

Wow XXX Thought you were better than that. Really did. What a disappointment.

Doxing? Never cool.

Oh please, get a grip. Calling skiadikt by his first name is hardly a dox. However dragging up history from 20 years ago from a lonely and misguided kid is some how cool? Gotcha. Eat a dick.

hey man weve all done cringe sh*t like ride around with speakers blasting

(i havent since i was a teen but ya know...been there)

[daytripper]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

this year they never had the temps to go top to bottom. only now, with the recent snowfall, is it possible. killington doesnt control the weather. im sure if it was up to solimano it would snow a foot every night and be bluebird every day with no wind and perfect temperatures. but this isnt colorado, its vermont. during global warming. and burlington leads the country in terms of change in average temperature, it is up over 8ºF since the 1970s.

Historical opening dates at Killington Resort

2024/25: Nov. 14

2023/24: Nov. 3

2022/23: Nov. 17

2021/22: Nov. 5

2020/21: Nov. 20

2019/20: Nov. 3

2018/19: Oct. 19

2017/18: Nov. 8

2016/17: Oct. 25

2015/16: Oct. 18

2014/15: Nov. 3

2013/14: Oct. 23

2012/13: Oct. 13

2011/12: Oct. 29

2010/11: Nov. 2

2009/10: Nov. 7

2008/09: Nov. 2-6, Nov. 19

2007/08: Nov. 16

2006/07: Nov. 23

2005/06: Oct. 29-30; Nov. 19

2004/05: Nov. 9:

2003/04: Nov. 10

2002/03: Oct. 25

2001/02: Nov. 6

2000/01: Oct. 29

1999/00: Oct. 25

1998/99: Oct. 22

1997/98: Oct. 1

1996/97: Oct. 4

1995/96: Oct. 17

1994/95: Oct. 3

1993/94: Oct. 1

1992/93: Oct. 1

1991/92: Oct. 21

1990/91: Oct. 27

1989/90: Oct. 10

1988/89: Oct. 13

1987/88: Oct. 12

from https://mountaintimes.info/2024/11/20/s ... on-nov-14/

so for the last 6 years weve opened in november, half of them in mid november, and youre mad youre taking the stairs when theyve not even been open for two whole weeks yet? dude go work harder or win the lottery or something and go be a rich person somewhere else where the snow conditions and lifts meet your liking, or better yet just go heli ski around the world and change the weather like you change your underwear. because clearly you cant be happy with what youve got here...

They had the temps and the window, they just didn’t have the capacity to do so simultaneously for both the customers and the WC.
Maybe with the conversion from diesel to electric compressors, mentioned in the other thread, they will have the capacity to do so in the future.

not for top to bottom, except when they initially blew north ridge. temperatures and wet bulbs have been extremely marginal this season. kzone acts like the mountain is intentionally not blowing. if they could, they would.

i guess well see how next years early season rolls out, i believe this is gonna be the last world cup for a while.

anyway, rumor is tomorrow the stairs will be retired.

Huh? If they got supe topto bottom how was the window not there? I don't have a problem with that but you certainly can't say it wasn't possible because they did it on Supe.

[DrJeff]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

this year they never had the temps to go top to bottom. only now, with the recent snowfall, is it possible. killington doesnt control the weather. im sure if it was up to solimano it would snow a foot every night and be bluebird every day with no wind and perfect temperatures. but this isnt colorado, its vermont. during global warming. and burlington leads the country in terms of change in average temperature, it is up over 8ºF since the 1970s.

Historical opening dates at Killington Resort

2024/25: Nov. 14

2023/24: Nov. 3

2022/23: Nov. 17

2021/22: Nov. 5

2020/21: Nov. 20

2019/20: Nov. 3

2018/19: Oct. 19

2017/18: Nov. 8

2016/17: Oct. 25

2015/16: Oct. 18

2014/15: Nov. 3

2013/14: Oct. 23

2012/13: Oct. 13

2011/12: Oct. 29

2010/11: Nov. 2

2009/10: Nov. 7

2008/09: Nov. 2-6, Nov. 19

2007/08: Nov. 16

2006/07: Nov. 23

2005/06: Oct. 29-30; Nov. 19

2004/05: Nov. 9:

2003/04: Nov. 10

2002/03: Oct. 25

2001/02: Nov. 6

2000/01: Oct. 29

1999/00: Oct. 25

1998/99: Oct. 22

1997/98: Oct. 1

1996/97: Oct. 4

1995/96: Oct. 17

1994/95: Oct. 3

1993/94: Oct. 1

1992/93: Oct. 1

1991/92: Oct. 21

1990/91: Oct. 27

1989/90: Oct. 10

1988/89: Oct. 13

1987/88: Oct. 12

from https://mountaintimes.info/2024/11/20/s ... on-nov-14/

so for the last 6 years weve opened in november, half of them in mid november, and youre mad youre taking the stairs when theyve not even been open for two whole weeks yet? dude go work harder or win the lottery or something and go be a rich person somewhere else where the snow conditions and lifts meet your liking, or better yet just go heli ski around the world and change the weather like you change your underwear. because clearly you cant be happy with what youve got here...

They had the temps and the window, they just didn’t have the capacity to do so simultaneously for both the customers and the WC.
Maybe with the conversion from diesel to electric compressors, mentioned in the other thread, they will have the capacity to do so in the future.

not for top to bottom, except when they initially blew north ridge. temperatures and wet bulbs have been extremely marginal this season. kzone acts like the mountain is intentionally not blowing. if they could, they would.

i guess well see how next years early season rolls out, i believe this is gonna be the last world cup for a while.

anyway, rumor is tomorrow the stairs will be retired.

Huh? If they got supe topto bottom how was the window not there? I don't have a problem with that but you certainly can't say it wasn't possible because they did it on Supe.

Supe for the Worldcup gets an asterisks in the snowmaking perspective. I highly doubt they would of spent the kind of $$ they did on Supe last week laying the snow down, because they had a snow control deadline to make, verses making very expensive snow down through Snowdon to get a public trail open to the base.

I think it's safe to say, if one uses some realistic and logical thinking, that if the Worldcup wasn't coming to town next weekend, that the public would still be uploading + downloading and skiing/riding the same terrain they are today.

[newpylong1]

The stairs were supposed to be a fail-safe, like the Locke mid station at SR. Not the operational norm until late-November. If they'd put in the same effort on snowmaking that they did before the pandemic, then they'd have shorter timeframes using the stairs, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

this year they never had the temps to go top to bottom. only now, with the recent snowfall, is it possible. killington doesnt control the weather. im sure if it was up to solimano it would snow a foot every night and be bluebird every day with no wind and perfect temperatures. but this isnt colorado, its vermont. during global warming. and burlington leads the country in terms of change in average temperature, it is up over 8ºF since the 1970s.

Historical opening dates at Killington Resort

2024/25: Nov. 14

2023/24: Nov. 3

2022/23: Nov. 17

2021/22: Nov. 5

2020/21: Nov. 20

2019/20: Nov. 3

2018/19: Oct. 19

2017/18: Nov. 8

2016/17: Oct. 25

2015/16: Oct. 18

2014/15: Nov. 3

2013/14: Oct. 23

2012/13: Oct. 13

2011/12: Oct. 29

2010/11: Nov. 2

2009/10: Nov. 7

2008/09: Nov. 2-6, Nov. 19

2007/08: Nov. 16

2006/07: Nov. 23

2005/06: Oct. 29-30; Nov. 19

2004/05: Nov. 9:

2003/04: Nov. 10

2002/03: Oct. 25

2001/02: Nov. 6

2000/01: Oct. 29

1999/00: Oct. 25

1998/99: Oct. 22

1997/98: Oct. 1

1996/97: Oct. 4

1995/96: Oct. 17

1994/95: Oct. 3

1993/94: Oct. 1

1992/93: Oct. 1

1991/92: Oct. 21

1990/91: Oct. 27

1989/90: Oct. 10

1988/89: Oct. 13

1987/88: Oct. 12

from https://mountaintimes.info/2024/11/20/s ... on-nov-14/

so for the last 6 years weve opened in november, half of them in mid november, and youre mad youre taking the stairs when theyve not even been open for two whole weeks yet? dude go work harder or win the lottery or something and go be a rich person somewhere else where the snow conditions and lifts meet your liking, or better yet just go heli ski around the world and change the weather like you change your underwear. because clearly you cant be happy with what youve got here...

They had the temps and the window, they just didn’t have the capacity to do so simultaneously for both the customers and the WC.
Maybe with the conversion from diesel to electric compressors, mentioned in the other thread, they will have the capacity to do so in the future.

not for top to bottom, except when they initially blew north ridge. temperatures and wet bulbs have been extremely marginal this season. kzone acts like the mountain is intentionally not blowing. if they could, they would.

i guess well see how next years early season rolls out, i believe this is gonna be the last world cup for a while.

anyway, rumor is tomorrow the stairs will be retired.

Huh? If they got supe topto bottom how was the window not there? I don't have a problem with that but you certainly can't say it wasn't possible because they did it on Supe.

Physically possible obviously, but logistically not. Not enough air capacity or hydrant density to open within the limited hours.

[skiadikt]

they were making snow on supe top down to preston's and at the base. a few guns on UEF.

retiring the stairs tomorrow? doubt it. a friend who skied down in today's scrum regretted it. can't see how they could possibly cover it in one nite. thinking/hoping wednesday.