rubigirl wrote:The storm was over hyped with respect to the "winds" which barely reached cat 1 speed. On the contrary, they paid little to no attention to the "r*in".
Agreed, and that's what caused the damage in NJ as well. There were absolutely no "snapped" trees. Just trees that uprooted and fell over because the ground was so saturated.
I disagree with this statement as we most certainly had winds here in Northeastern Connecticut up near 60mph that snapped trees and utility poles. My neighbor had a large maple fall on his house/cars/power lines due to high wind gusts. We had about 3-5" of r*in in my area from T.S Irene and very little flooding to loosen the soil and topple trees, wind was the main damage element.
If the roots are pulled out of the ground it is due to water not just wind. JUst because you did not see much actually flooding does not mean the ground was not saturated and softened by the r*in.
rubigirl wrote:If the roots are pulled out of the ground it is due to water not just wind. JUst because you did not see much actually flooding does not mean the ground was not saturated and softened by the r*in.
Trees and utility poles here are snapped in half, that is not from flooding. My neignbors tree stump is still firmly in the ground the tree mid section could not handle the high wind gusts and fell apart.
rubigirl wrote:The storm was over hyped with respect to the "winds" which barely reached cat 1 speed. On the contrary, they paid little to no attention to the "r*in".
Agreed, and that's what caused the damage in NJ as well. There were absolutely no "snapped" trees. Just trees that uprooted and fell over because the ground was so saturated.
I disagree with this statement as we most certainly had winds here in Northeastern Connecticut up near 60mph that snapped trees and utility poles. My neighbor had a large maple fall on his house/cars/power lines due to high wind gusts. We had about 3-5" of r*in in my area from T.S Irene and very little flooding to loosen the soil and topple trees, wind was the main damage element.
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale rates it like this:
Cat 1: winds of 74-95 mph
Cat 2: 96-110 mph
Cat 3: 111-130 mph
Cat 4: 131-155 mph
Cat 5 (end of the world): > 155 mph
johnny the jibber wrote:it is currently pouring r*in in Ktown. coming down pretty heavily.
Just what we need.
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johnny the jibber wrote:it is currently pouring r*in in Ktown. coming down pretty heavily.
Just what we need.
Flash Flood Warning: The National Weather Service has issued flash flood warning for Northeastern Rutland County in Southern Vermont and Northwestern Windsor County in Southern Vermont - until 7:30 pm - At 3:16 pm...National Weather Service doppler radar indicated heavy rainfall capable of producing flash flooding. Locations in the warning include but are not limited to Mendon - Killington and Pittsfield.
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Of course if this were snow we'd all be happy campers
rubigirl wrote:If the roots are pulled out of the ground it is due to water not just wind. JUst because you did not see much actually flooding does not mean the ground was not saturated and softened by the r*in.
There are trees down all over the place here in my corner of Massholia and it only r*ined 3/4" here. The peak gusts were around 80 mph. Trees with shallow root systems are more likely to fall over when the ground is saturated but a good stiff breeze will also do it.
I'd just like to point out that they were actually forecasting massive inland rainfall throughout ny, vt and west mass:
......so it should have been no suprise about the possiblity of flash flooding. But I don't think anyone actually ran the numbers and figured out the severity of what was possible. Why didn't anyone ask what happens if you get 6, 8 or 10 inches of r*in on wet ground in these areas in under 24 hours?
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