Can the Democrat Party be saved?

[boston_e]

So now it's the republicans who are the cause of defunding the police according to the white house. You really can't make this sh*t up!!!

Correct. The American Rescue Plan provided millions in state and local funding for cash strapped cities to keep them from having to layoff officers. It did not receive a single Republican vote.

The republicans in their usual way will lie about it but in the end the republicans are the ones who supported defunding the police.

It is hilarious trying to watch Fox News spin it the other way. I’m sure the sheep will eat it up though.

Ok buddy, what's hilarious is how naive you are. Republicans have lots of faults, they can't help it they are politicians, but your hate of them blinds you from many truths.

The simple truth is that a bill that provided millions to local police departments did not receive a single Republican vote. Fact.

[easyrider16]

Lots democrats aren't in favor of defunding police, either. That's a narrative the far-right is pushing because they're trying to paint BLM as a Democrat/liberal group rather than what it is, a civil rights group.

While I'm not sure it's entirely fair to say Republicans are defunding police, it is quite fair to criticize them for not working with democrats to craft spending bills that fund programs they can both agree on, like providing funds for local police. Both sides have engaged in partisan behavior but Pelosi/Biden are quite middle of the road democrats, whereas Republican leadership lives in crazytown USA right now.

[daytripper]

It provided money that local governments could have used on police if they chose too. It could have been used on fire dept as well. You really think all these democrat cities that have already taken money away from the police would have let any of that money go to police?

[easyrider16]

I don't know. But while there are about a dozen or so democrat cities that are defunding police, there are thousands of cities and towns in the United States that aren't.

[Bubba]

It provided money that local governments could have used on police if they chose too. It could have been used on fire dept as well. You really think all these democrat cities that have already taken money away from the police would have let any of that money go to police?

Please list the cities (besides Burlington, VT) that have taken money away from the police.

[yiddle on da fiddle]

as Hizzoner Judge Smails liked to say....

[boston_e]

It provided money that local governments could have used on police if they chose too. It could have been used on fire dept as well. You really think all these democrat cities that have already taken money away from the police would have let any of that money go to police?

Walla Walla, WA voted overwhelmingly for Biden is adding police officers because of the American Rescue Plan: https://www.union-bulletin.com/news/loc ... 0fb24.html

[daytripper]

It provided money that local governments could have used on police if they chose too. It could have been used on fire dept as well. You really think all these democrat cities that have already taken money away from the police would have let any of that money go to police?

Please list the cities (besides Burlington, VT) that have taken money away from the police.

NYC is a pretty big one.

[daytripper]

This is almost a year old now:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... 12effc29e3


BREAKING|Aug 13, 2020,03:04pm EDT|192,639 views
At Least 13 Cities Are Defunding Their Police Departments
Jemima McEvoy
Jemima McEvoyForbes Staff
Business
I'm a British-born reporter covering breaking news for Forbes.

Updated Aug 12, 2020, 10:24am EDT
TOPLINE At least 13 U.S. cities have cut funding from police department budgets or decreased officer numbers with several more in the process amid a national reckoning over systemic racism and police brutality, according to a Forbes tally.
Police Body Cameras
Though months of Black Lives Matter protests have brought the Defund the Police debate to the fore, ... [+] BOSTON GLOBE VIA GETTY IMAGES
KEY FACTS
Austin, Texas, is the latest city to announce a police defunding effort, with the City Council on Thursday voting unanimously to cut $150 million (roughly one third) from the police budget, reinvesting much of that sum in social programs, including food access, violence prevention and abortion access.

Austin’s announcement closely follows the sweeping budget change approved by Seattle—a $3.5 million budget cut and the reinvestment of over $17 million—that resulted in the resignation of Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best, a 28-year veteran of the department and Seattle’s first Black police leader.

PROMOTED

The country’s two largest cities, New York and Los Angeles, approved budget cuts weeks after protests began—New York slashed $1 billion from its 2021 budget totaling $88.9 billion (reallocating $354 million to mental health, homelessness and education services) while Los Angeles approved a $150 million budget cut from its $1.86 billion proposed budget.

Also in California, San Francisco approved a $120 million cut to the police and sheriff’s department, promising investments in Black residents, and Oakland passed its own $14.6 million budget reduction.

A $15 million police budget cut also hit the nation’s capital, Washington D.C., in July, where the Defund the Police movement has become a hot button issue in the run-up to the 2020 election, with President Trump erroneously accusing competitor Joe Biden of supporting closing police departments.

Baltimore eliminated roughly $22 million from its police budget; Portland, Oregon, cut nearly $16 million; Philadelphia reduced police funding by $33 million; Hartford, Conn. cut $1 million from its $40 million budget; Norman, Oklahoma slashed $865,000; and Salt Lake City reduced its police budget by $5.3 from that previously proposed by the mayor.

Several other cities are mulling the reallocation of funds within their own departments.

CHIEF CRITIC
“This experience should be a lesson to state and local leaders about the real costs of irresponsible proposals to defund the police,” wrote U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr of Best’s resignation.

QUICK TANGENT
Minneapolis, the city where George Floyd died, has recently encountered friction regarding the City Council’s pledge to disband the police department. A state charter commission on Wednesday tabled the measure for further study for 90 days, which prevented it from being put up for approval by voters in November.

KEY BACKGROUND
Though months of Black Lives Matter protests have brought the Defund the Police debate to the fore, the notion of slashing and re-allocating police funds is far from universally popular. According to an Axios-SurveyMonkey poll, just 34% of Americans have a favorable view of the movement, while 53% do not. Some are pointing to recent spikes in gun violence in cities nationwide, including New York and Chicago, as reasons why police funding should not be decreased. Several cities have moved to raise police spending, including Houston; San Diego; Durham, North Carolina; and Nashville, Tenn.

CRUCIAL QUOTE
Trump has used the polarizing Defund the Police movement’s association with the left to combat Biden, saying: “Sleepy Joe Biden and the Radical Left Democrats want to ‘DEFUND THE POLICE’. I want great and well paid LAW ENFORCEMENT. I want LAW & ORDER!” However, Biden has repeatedly insisted he has no intention to cut blue uniform budgets.

[Bubba]

Thank you.

[Bigjohnski]

BS

[FingerPicker]

So now it's the republicans who are the cause of defunding the police according to the white house. You really can't make this sh*t up!!!

Correct. The American Rescue Plan provided millions in state and local funding for cash strapped cities to keep them from having to layoff officers. It did not receive a single Republican vote.

The republicans in their usual way will lie about it but in the end the republicans are the ones who supported defunding the police.

It is hilarious trying to watch Fox News spin it the other way. I’m sure the sheep will eat it up though.

Ok buddy, what's hilarious is how naive you are. Republicans have lots of faults, they can't help it they are politicians, but your hate of them blinds you from many truths.

The simple truth is that a bill that provided millions to local police departments did not receive a single Republican vote. Fact.

Wow, you've really bought into the Democrat propaganda on this one. From a bill so large, did you ever stop to think that Republicans didn't vote for it because of all the other spending that went along with it?

[FingerPicker]

Lots democrats aren't in favor of defunding police, either. That's a narrative the far-right is pushing because they're trying to paint BLM as a Democrat/liberal group rather than what it is, a civil rights group.

While I'm not sure it's entirely fair to say Republicans are defunding police, it is quite fair to criticize them for not working with democrats to craft spending bills that fund programs they can both agree on, like providing funds for local police. Both sides have engaged in partisan behavior but Pelosi/Biden are quite middle of the road democrats, whereas Republican leadership lives in crazytown USA right now.

Far right narrative? Defund the police are literally the words coming from the mouths of Democrats. I didn't realize civil rights groups cause billions of dollars in damage from the riots last summer.

[easyrider16]

Far right narrative? Defund the police are literally the words coming from the mouths of Democrats. I didn't realize civil rights groups cause billions of dollars in damage from the riots last summer.

You're failing to distinguish the nuance. Defund the police is a slogan of the BLM movement. BLM is not synonymous with Democrats. Though some Democrats have said they want to defund police, many others, most notably people like Biden and Pelosi who are the Democrats who hold all the power, have not said this.

You don't see this nuance being discussed by far-right wing talking-heads like Ingram and Carlson. Instead, they just claim all Democrats want to defund the police. This is a false narrative. It's no more true than saying all Democrats are socialists or all Republicans are fascists.

[FingerPicker]

Far right narrative? Defund the police are literally the words coming from the mouths of Democrats. I didn't realize civil rights groups cause billions of dollars in damage from the riots last summer.

You're failing to distinguish the nuance. Defund the police is a slogan of the BLM movement. BLM is not synonymous with Democrats. Though some Democrats have said they want to defund police, many others, most notably people like Biden and Pelosi who are the Democrats who hold all the power, have not said this.

You don't see this nuance being discussed by far-right wing talking-heads like Ingram and Carlson. Instead, they just claim all Democrats want to defund the police. This is a false narrative. It's no more true than saying all Democrats are socialists or all Republicans are fascists.

I guess you didn't take a look at the article daytripper posted, or (and the most likely scenario) you're so bought into Democrat propaganda talking about peaceful protests while fires rage in the background. This is more than a slogan. Democrat cities have voted to defund their police departments. But they don't really need defund the police. The Dems have demonized the police to the point where officers are retiring, and who the hell would want to become an officer now? You are incorrect about Biden & Pelosi holding the power on this. Policing is a local issue, not a federal one.......yet.

If defund the police is a slogan of BLM, and BLM is a civil rights group, what kind of civil rights group would use that slogan? And shouldn't that group use at least some of the money it took in to better the lives of the people they claim to represent, instead of said groups leaders? Shameful.