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throbster wrote: ↑Sep 24th, '20, 14:22 f*** the quarantines, f*** the social distancing and f*** the masks...

There is more to life than survival.

Plenty have lived, but are surviving with serious health issues.

directed at all of the COVID isn't a big deal types:

all the nonsense arguing in the world and finding the rare scientist who's a contrarian/off their rocker to fit your point of view still doesn't change the fact that year over year we've had 266,000 more deaths than normal, of that, approximately 210k attributed to coronavirus.

you can make up all the "facts" you want to fit your narrative, but the number of dead bodies doesn't lie. WhAt AboUt HeArT dIsEaSe? (and all the other disease what aboutisms) well, heart disease isn't communicable and that's taken into account when it comes to year over year total deaths.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ll-us.html

not to veer too far into politics but the main job of the president is to defend the country from all threats foreign and domestic. 210k+ deaths due to a preventable pandemic if our country were properly run. trump failed at his main responsibility. obama prevent ebola from turning into a pandemic and bush 2 prevented H1N1 (the original and far more deadly form of COVID) from turning into a pandemic. trump didnt. our entire joint chiefs of staff are under quarantine and we've never been more vulnerable to a foreign attack in a generation, all because of the president's recklessness and lies. anyone who votes for him at this point is a moron.

asher2789 wrote: ↑Oct 7th, '20, 14:20not to veer too far into politics but the main job of the president is to defend the country from all threats foreign and domestic. 210k+ deaths due to a preventable pandemic if our country were properly run. trump failed at his main responsibility. obama prevent ebola from turning into a pandemic and bush 2 prevented H1N1 (the original and far more deadly form of COVID) from turning into a pandemic. trump didnt. our entire joint chiefs of staff are under quarantine and we've never been more vulnerable to a foreign attack in a generation, all because of the president's recklessness and lies. anyone who votes for him at this point is a moron.

Trump has called himself a wartime President - he's not wrong. However, surrendering while under attack has costs us dearly in American lives.

XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Oct 7th, '20, 16:02

asher2789 wrote: ↑Oct 7th, '20, 14:20not to veer too far into politics but the main job of the president is to defend the country from all threats foreign and domestic. 210k+ deaths due to a preventable pandemic if our country were properly run. trump failed at his main responsibility. obama prevent ebola from turning into a pandemic and bush 2 prevented H1N1 (the original and far more deadly form of COVID) from turning into a pandemic. trump didnt. our entire joint chiefs of staff are under quarantine and we've never been more vulnerable to a foreign attack in a generation, all because of the president's recklessness and lies. anyone who votes for him at this point is a moron.

Trump has called himself a wartime President - he's not wrong. However, surrendering while under attack has costs us dearly in American lives.

Over 2 million lives saved by Trump Libby’s

Over 2 million lives saved by Trump. Grow up and quit whining Libby’s

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid ... IMKOYXLRU/

WHO calls for the end to lockdowns.

Oh boy, this is going to be interesting!

Bigjohnski wrote: ↑Oct 11th, '20, 13:31 Over 2 million lives saved by Trump. Grow up and quit whining Libby’s

Sure. Had we done absolutely nothing we would have lost 2 million lives by now. Fortunately many states implemented safety measures not observed at the White House (not encouraged by the same). We could still do better ... kind of like how seat belts save lives but adding airbags helped save even more. Right now we’re still struggling to accept seat belts save any lives ....

This from a conservative Christian pro life gun owner.

XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Oct 11th, '20, 16:56 We could still do better ... kind of like how seat belts save lives but adding airbags helped save even more. Right now we’re still struggling to accept seat belts save any lives ....

Best we have done with seat belts is 80% usage that means 20 % have chosen not to buckle up. Some large percentage of our population will always make a dangerous choice. I would guess somewhere north of 20% of folks aren't even saving for their retirement either. What percentage of compliance of good choices you can reasonably achieve in a free society is pretty much a crap shoot.

Guy in Shorts wrote: ↑Oct 11th, '20, 18:13

XtremeJibber2001 wrote: ↑Oct 11th, '20, 16:56 We could still do better ... kind of like how seat belts save lives but adding airbags helped save even more. Right now we’re still struggling to accept seat belts save any lives ....

Best we have done with seat belts is 80% usage that means 20 % have chosen not to buckle up. Some large percentage of our population will always make a dangerous choice. I would guess somewhere north of 20% of folks aren't even saving for their retirement either. What percentage of compliance of good choices you can reasonably achieve in a free society is pretty much a crap shoot.

As of last year seat belt compliance was around 90%. Those not saving for retirement, while reckless, do have a safety net they and their employer have been paying into (SS).

I agree compliance can be a crap shoot given we live in a country that runs on free will. One way to lower compliance is have the leader of the free world poo poo compliance ... making it into a politic statement instead of a safety measure.

.. Leader of the Free World doesn't live here anymore ..
https://eand.co/the-new-leader-of-the-f ... 9faa78f9b3

brownman wrote: ↑Oct 12th, '20, 07:44 .. Leader of the Free World doesn't live here anymore ..
https://eand.co/the-new-leader-of-the-f ... 9faa78f9b3

I know this is a joke but on a more serious note, the United States has taken a serious hit to its "leader of the free world" status because of Trump. Maybe you didn't like some of the treaties that Obama committed us to, but many of them (like Iran and the Paris Accord) were done together with that "free world" that the U.S. is supposed to be the leader of. When Trump decided to just unilaterally pull us out of those treaties without even discussing it with those other countries, how do you think the rest of the free world is supposed to react? I think they're going to be very reluctant to follow our lead in the future. If they do, who's to say the next President isn't just going to reverse course again?

easyrider16 wrote:

brownman wrote: ↑Oct 12th, '20, 07:44 .. Leader of the Free World doesn't live here anymore ..
https://eand.co/the-new-leader-of-the-f ... 9faa78f9b3

I know this is a joke but on a more serious note, the United States has taken a serious hit to its "leader of the free world" status because of Trump. Maybe you didn't like some of the treaties that Obama committed us to, but many of them (like Iran and the Paris Accord) were done together with that "free world" that the U.S. is supposed to be the leader of. When Trump decided to just unilaterally pull us out of those treaties without even discussing it with those other countries, how do you think the rest of the free world is supposed to react? I think they're going to be very reluctant to follow our lead in the future. If they do, who's to say the next President isn't just going to reverse course again?

You mean like 5 years ago when the Middle East was on fire.

North Korea was shooting missiles.

Iran was making bombs.

The world is a much safer place right now.

I'd call that leading.

Don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does.

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easyrider16 wrote: ↑Oct 12th, '20, 07:56

brownman wrote: ↑Oct 12th, '20, 07:44 .. Leader of the Free World doesn't live here anymore ..
https://eand.co/the-new-leader-of-the-f ... 9faa78f9b3

I know this is a joke but on a more serious note, the United States has taken a serious hit to its "leader of the free world" status because of Trump. Maybe you didn't like some of the treaties that Obama committed us to, but many of them (like Iran and the Paris Accord) were done together with that "free world" that the U.S. is supposed to be the leader of. When Trump decided to just unilaterally pull us out of those treaties without even discussing it with those other countries, how do you think the rest of the free world is supposed to react? I think they're going to be very reluctant to follow our lead in the future. If they do, who's to say the next President isn't just going to reverse course again?

Talked to my colleagues in Taiwan, a country with a population of 24 million (about the size of Texas for comparison), this morning. They don't understand why we won't just wear masks. They're in the office, business as usual, only a handful of cases (e.g., 1-5) a day.

hillbangin wrote: ↑Oct 12th, '20, 08:04 You mean like 5 years ago when the Middle East was on fire.

North Korea was shooting missiles.

Iran was making bombs.

The world is a much safer place right now.

I'd call that leading.

Don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does.

Great but you completely missed the point. I'm talking about what he actually did in unilaterally pulling out of treaties that past Presidents negotiated with the free world and how that impacts future international relations, not whether or not those actions made us safer.

But on that note, Iran is back to making bombs and North Korea is still shooting missiles so I'm not sure what you're really talking about. Maybe it's because you're the one listening to what he says instead of watching what he does?

In response to the US withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal, Iran has begun exceeding the curbs imposed on it by the accord signed with the US and other European powers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-clo ... omb-2020-1

North Korea unveiled what analysts believe to be one of the world's largest ballistic missiles at a military parade celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Workers' Party broadcast on state-run television on Saturday.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/asia/nor ... index.html