JerseyGuy wrote:Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, Skippy. Are you like this in real life? Does anyone outside of KillingtonZone ever take you seriously? You're like the one Polish guy walking around Warsaw in 1939 saying "Chill out, everyone, these Nazis are actually gonna do great things for us!"
*Snow Quality has improved. Tons of natural snow all season long, and more snowmaking in more places, and drier and higher quality. Grooming is around the same.
Look, Einstein, even YOU have to admit that Powdr doesn't have a damn thing to do with the amount of "natural snow" Killington gets. "More snowmaking in more places"? Until I see a water gallon usage statistic, I'll reserve judgement on that one. And just about everyone else on this board who's skied K-Mart this year seems to disagree with you on the overall quality of the grooming, so forgive me if I trust their collective judgement over your over-the-moon Powdr swooning.
*The quality of the kids programs has improved.
Yeah, it's amazing what happens when you jack the prices through the stratosphere. They're admitting fewer students per class? Good thing, since they seem to have chased away enough kids to cancel out the need for those old-fashioned bigger classes. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Say, you know what? I'll bet if Kia started making their cars twice as good and made the price twice as high, a hell of a lot fewer people would buy THEM, either! But that would be OK, according to you, if Kia simply stated that their goal was to sell half as many cars, right?
*K has more lifts then anyone else in the east. Tue/Wed they have had the same amount of lifts or more then Mount Snow and Okemo, and every other mountain in Vermont. Any other day they have dramatically more lifts then any where else. Including a couple gondolas, and more high speed lifts then anywhere else in Vermont.
Who the f*** cares? Jesus, Skippy... Killington has twice the acreage of those resorts with less REAL vertical than almost any of them. The place is so damned horizontally spread out, you NEED more lifts! How is this necessarily a good thing?
There are plenty of roads in my home state, but it's because we NEED them to get any damn place, not because we love driving...
*K had a great Opening day, earlier then most mountains in New England!!
Which was, of course, less than what used to occur; namely, opening BEFORE everyone else. Just give up and stop arguing this one with the members of this board, Skip. When you've been #1 for years and years, it's hard to accept a permanent descent into "also-ran" status.
*K has a variety of every kind of terrain, including more expert terrain then anywhere else.
OK... now you're starting to run off the rails here. Mr. "Quality not Quantity" is now himself starting to fall back on the old "bigger, better, more more more" criteria of years past.
*Passes are around the same, if not cheaper then most mountains in vt. Lift ticket prices are similiar of all big mountains in New England. They are not the most expensive out there...
Passes are cheaper than most mountains in Vermont? Really? Do us a favor, Skip (cause I know you will): run Killington's season pass prices up against all of the other Vermont mountains that are comparable in business to Killington. I want to see the list of Vermont mountains who are, in the aggregate, charging more for their 08-09 season passes than is Killington.
Seriously. Go do it.
*Nyberg has been out there grooming, deicing lifts, checking tickets, running lifts and so on, he cares.
He cares? About what? Whether some Joey from, yes, Jersey has his lift ticket properly displayed? Whether or not Fred the Groomer is driving his machine at the proper speed? Do you really think that any significant number of Killington skiers give two hoots as to whether or not Killington's GM is out "grooming, deicing lifts, checking tickets, and running lifts?
Who cares? I'd prefer a competent GM who sits on his ass in his office all day doing HIS ACTUAL JOB in a thoughtful, intelligent, visionary manner -- providing an actual, tangible benefit to his resort rather than another ticket-checker... making six figures!
1. Snowmaking has been of very high quality. Snowmaking on 6+ trails that havent seen it in a couple to several years. Non stop snowmaking from October to Mid Jaunuary, at every weather oppertunity. Thats at full capacity. And with the fantastically cold weather we've had all season long providing all that nattural terrain, the snowmaking system was running nearly 24/7 at full capacity for a good 11+ weeks. Then resurfacing throughout the resort on many occasions through mid Febraury. They were the only resort in Vermont making snow for numorous days! Infact, they have made snow this March as well.
2. They could have stacked 12 kids in each program, and only have an instructor or two working on any given day... No, they quadrupled
the amount of staffing needs, then if they just stacked all the kids in 1 program, rather then running 4 seperate ones.
3. So your saying number of lifts does not matter? High speed lifts/Gonodola's, who cares? I think people who dont want to hike terrain care.
4. Again, earlier then MOST other mountains in the east. Many opened a week, or several weeks later then K.
5. Theres high qaulity on a high qaunitity of trails. Its unbeatable.
6. Thats all in one sentance. "around the same, if not cheaper" Not just "cheaper". Mount Snow charges $72 weekends, Okemo $74 for weekends. Sugarloaf alternates between $69 and $72 a day all season, Sunday River alternates between $69 and $72 a day all season, Stowe is $79 Sun-Fri and $84 Sat, Stratton is $78 weekends.
Killington is $79 Saturdays, $76 Sun-Fri.
We can talk till we're blue in the face over pass prices and the value each has for what each mountain has to offer each individual. All I can say, is that K offers a very cheap Midweek pass, a very fair Blackout pass, and a full pass that is also cheaper then some other mountains, and around the same price as many others, that provide similar "stuff" !
7. It shows that instead of sitting in his office touching himself all day, hes out there doing stuff for the good of the resort. K has people to groom, run lifts, and on and on, they could pay 3 minimum wage people to get all these tasks done all the time, instead of Nyberg. It shows that he cares. I said that in response to someone else saying, "management doesn't care"...
