The Trials Of Donald Trump

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Explains why Lin was never indicted ...

Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood is a witness in Georgia election subversion case, district attorney says
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/20/politics ... index.html
Pro-Donald Trump lawyer Lin Wood is a “witness for the state” in the Georgia election subversion case, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis revealed Wednesday.

The reference to Wood was buried in a new court filing by the DA’s office that raised potential conflicts of interest for six defense attorneys because they previously represented witnesses or other defendants in related proceedings.

Wood was previously subpoenaed by prosecutors in the Georgia probe but his status as a witness for the state was not previously known.

“Lin Wood is a witness for the State in the present case,” the court filing says.
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https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... ba5da74249

But Moose said the NY case was a thin nothing burger.

I'm confused. Why is the judge ruling this way on a thin nothing burger?
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It's a civil lawsuit, it is a nothing burger.
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Well, it's not going to send him to prison, but it's going to cost him a lot of money. All his business entities in New York were cancelled and receivers will be appointed to dispose of the assets. The losses could be in the hundreds of millions, here.

BTW, there is really no doubt that he committed fraud - he apparently exaggerated things that are easily verifiable, like the square footage of his property, in one case reporting it to be THREE TIMES more than it actually was. That part of the decision is not likely to get overturned on appeal.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-tru ... dge-rules/
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But the emails, she had emails.
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easyrider16 wrote: Sep 26th, '23, 17:08 Well, it's not going to send him to prison, but it's going to cost him a lot of money. All his business entities in New York were cancelled and receivers will be appointed to dispose of the assets. The losses could be in the hundreds of millions, here.

BTW, there is really no doubt that he committed fraud - he apparently exaggerated things that are easily verifiable, like the square footage of his property, in one case reporting it to be THREE TIMES more than it actually was. That part of the decision is not likely to get overturned on appeal.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-tru ... dge-rules/
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deadheadskier wrote: Sep 26th, '23, 17:28Bentley Flying Spur
That's one heck of a ride!
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And he still won't lose votes from the cultists.
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He forgot, cheated on the scale too.....
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Question I want answered is why did the SDNY attorneys office walk away from this? Isn’t bank fraud a felony?
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If I were to guess, I'd guess a statute of limitations problem?

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the gall this man had? Having fraudulently misrepresented easily verifiable facts on financial statements, and gotten away with it, he decides to run for office. And not just any office, the highest office in the land. Did he seriously think these skeletons wouldn't be found? I'm actually surprised it took this long.

As with so many of his troubles, these troubles are self-inflicted, not the fault of the deep state or some political vendetta. And if you voted for this guy, I think you should feel like you have a lot of egg on your face about now.
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easyrider16 wrote: Sep 27th, '23, 09:09 If I were to guess, I'd guess a statute of limitations problem?

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the gall this man had? Having fraudulently misrepresented easily verifiable facts on financial statements, and gotten away with it, he decides to run for office. And not just any office, the highest office in the land. Did he seriously think these skeletons wouldn't be found? I'm actually surprised it took this long.

As with so many of his troubles, these troubles are self-inflicted, not the fault of the deep state or some political vendetta. And if you voted for this guy, I think you should feel like you have a lot of egg on your face about now.
I'm not one, generally, to consider conspiracy theories. However, I find it hard to believe Trump doesn't have (or did have) strong ties with the mob. His associations with Giuliani, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, George Nader, George Papadopoulos, etc. ... all these folks have ties to Russia.
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easyrider16 wrote: Sep 27th, '23, 09:09 And if you voted for this guy, I think you should feel like you have a lot of egg on your face about now.
Not a single remaining Trump voter will ever admit to that.

They will defend the man at all costs because just like him, they will never admit that they were wrong about him and that they've been scammed by a con artist.

It's embarrassing
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: Sep 27th, '23, 11:00 I'm not one, generally, to consider conspiracy theories. However, I find it hard to believe Trump doesn't have (or did have) strong ties with the mob. His associations with Giuliani, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, George Nader, George Papadopoulos, etc. ... all these folks have ties to Russia.
*shrug* who knows. I imagine a guy who cheats on financial statements by exaggerating easily verifiable facts is likely to be cheating in a lot of other areas of his life. This kind of behavior is not consistent with someone who has a respect for the law or a fear of violating it. It is consistent with someone who would try to disrupt an electoral college vote in violation of the law.

Character matters. The character of our highest leaders matters a lot. I remember when the Republican Party cared about that kind of thing. It seems they no longer do.
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deadheadskier wrote: Sep 26th, '23, 16:41 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... ba5da74249

But Moose said the NY case was a thin nothing burger.

I'm confused. Why is the judge ruling this way on a thin nothing burger?
Waiting for the case to adjudicate. There were no damages, the bank did not file a complaint as I understand it. Fraud sorta needs a victim. We'll see.
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Mister Moose wrote: Sep 28th, '23, 15:49 Waiting for the case to adjudicate. There were no damages, the bank did not file a complaint as I understand it. Fraud sorta needs a victim. We'll see.
This is a case brought by the AG relating to misuse of corporate entities. There does not need to be a victim who lost money. The state has a right to look into and regulate these entities and ensure they are complying with the law. If they are not, the state can bring suit, and if they prove violations (which the judge ruled they did here), the court can levy fines, disgorge profits, dissolve corporate entities, etc. That's what's happening here. It's not seeking damages on behalf of the people allegedly defrauded but on behalf of the state for violations of law.

Here's a link to the case if you want to know more. It specifically addresses the argument that "there are no damages" by pointing out that damages can be measured in a case like this by how much profit was made by fraudulent activity regardless of whether anyone else actually suffered a loss.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/ ... b/full.pdf

Make no mistake, Trump already lost, here. The only question is how much it's going to cost him.
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