Trump Presidency

[Bubba]

Unfortunately, the 25th Amendment is not a great option. Sure, the vice president and a majority of the cabinet can declare him unfit for office. However if the president disputes it, it goes to Congress and they have to support the vice president by a two-thirds majority. That is extremely unlikely to happen.

I also think Pence, for political reasons, doesn't want to do it. I'm betting he has designs on running for President. It would not surprise me though if behind the scenes everyone has started to report to Pence and have effectively cut Trump out of the chain of command. They could even do this without telling Trump they were doing it.

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If I recall the process correctly, the VP and a majority of the Cabinet can invoke the 25th by sending a letter to Congress. The President then has something like 4 days to respond, after which the Congress has 21 days to act one way or the other. With Democrats in control of both houses, it's a given that the 21 day clock will run through January 20th at noon.

Unfortunately, removal by the 25th does not preclude a President from running for another term. That would have to be done by impeachment and, I believe, some part of the impeachment process specifically addressing the ability to run again. I'm not sure that impeachment alone would cover another run.

[easyrider16]

If I recall the process correctly, the VP and a majority of the Cabinet can invoke the 25th by sending a letter to Congress. The President then has something like 4 days to respond, after which the Congress has 21 days to act one way or the other. With Democrats in control of both houses, it's a given that the 21 day clock will run through January 20th at noon.

Correct but I believe the Republicans still control the Senate until the newly elected Senators are sworn in, which won't be until after January 20th. McConnel could very well decide to run out the clock, but I tend to doubt it.

[Bubba]

If I recall the process correctly, the VP and a majority of the Cabinet can invoke the 25th by sending a letter to Congress. The President then has something like 4 days to respond, after which the Congress has 21 days to act one way or the other. With Democrats in control of both houses, it's a given that the 21 day clock will run through January 20th at noon.

Correct but I believe the Republicans still control the Senate until the newly elected Senators are sworn in, which won't be until after January 20th. McConnel could very well decide to run out the clock, but I tend to doubt it.

The new Congress convened on January 5th. The two new Georgia Senators can be sworn in today.

[easyrider16]

Oh, I thought I read that the Georgia senate election results weren't certified yet and the local government has until Jan 22, but it appears that can happen sooner if they want it to.

In other news, check out the full broadside by Bill Barr:

Former Attorney General Bill Barr is calling President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol Wednesday a “betrayal of his office and supporters.”

Barr said Thursday that “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable” in a statement obtained by NBC News.

[Dickc]

You are probably right. There are many Republicans who now feel they need Trump's base to win elections. They will do whatever is politically expedient for their own careers and not what is right.

Ding, Ding, Ding, It all boils down to politics.

Yes, I haven't chimed in on yesterdays Capitol horror show, and DO think its Trump's fault. As to the several quotes of Trump's lies and conspiracy theories, is it a lie if Trump believes it to be true? It is certainly delusional to think its true, but I also know our election system is not anywhere near as secure as it should be. It should require an ID be shown to get a ballot. The Democrats have been vehemently against that, and that leads into the conspiracy theories as, if the Democrats are against it, they must be benefiting from not having ID to vote laws. In this case A and B probably relate as well as apples do to oranges, but I do believe we need to revamp our election laws. Towns and cities are now large enough that we do not really know our neighbors, and as such, we should require ID's. With the new requirements (delayed as a result of COVID) of real ID needed to fly or enter any Federal building, everyone should have one. We need to use them to vote, and they should be able to tell if one is a citizen, naturalized, or born here.

To repeat, what happened in Washington yesterday was VERY Wrong, and I do blame Trump for it. That being said, I had to shut off the TV today when Biden was speaking as he all but made yesterday's violence a right wing only thing and all but completely passed over any violence by the left wing protests that have occurred over the last few years. ALL OF IT IS WRONG!

[easyrider16]

You think he believes that sh*t?!

Also, why is it necessary to condemn unrelated bad acts when discussing the present bad act? Sure, most of us will agree that violence and looting during a protest is wrong. But if I condemn yesterday's riot, do I have to condemn every bad act at every past protest in history?

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[Dickc]

You think he believes that sh*t?!

Also, why is it necessary to condemn unrelated bad acts when discussing the present bad act? Sure, most of us will agree that violence and looting during a protest is wrong. But if I condemn yesterday's riot, do I have to condemn every bad act at every past protest in history?

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Not sure if Trump believes it, but he seems outwardly convinced of it, hence the delusional comment.

Biden brought up the prior protests, then glossed over them as though they wore OK. I damn near threw something at the TV at that point and shut him off. See if you can find a youtube of his "talk" today.

ALL of the violent acts are wrong. I hope surveillance cameras caught some good pictures yesterday and that Facial recognition nails most if not all of these clowns and results in jail time. I don't care who you are, or what your beef is. Breaking into Federal buildings or someone else's property is wrong and should equal jail time.

[easyrider16]

Agreed

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[asher2789]

I saw that, too. I think the difference is there was notice of the BLM protests whereas nobody expected Trump to incite a mob to attack the Capitol. But perhaps they should have?

that's sh*t. these guys have been organizing out in the open on facebook, parler, gab, instagram, twitter, etc. you mean to tell me the NSA can know everything about me but yet somehow our intelligence community didn't know about this?! oh and better yet, the cops who let down the barricades? when are people going to do the math and realize that our police forces are politically compromised?!

we spend how many trillions of dollars on defense? 2.2B A DAY AND THEY LET THE CAPITOL GO?! i want to see a full investigation of who's running the police forces and how much far right infiltration and coordination there is. and heads need to start rolling immediately. lots of cops belong on the unemployment line for yesterdays failure.

[easyrider16]

And now a police officer is dead because of what Trump did.

United States Capitol Police officer died on Thursday night from injuries sustained “while physically engaging” with pro-Trump rioters who descended on the U.S. Capitol the day before, the fifth fatality linked to the chaos that engulfed the nation’s capital on Wednesday, according to the authorities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/capit ... d=msedgntp

So, Trump supporter, are you still on board?

[deadheadskier]

And now a police officer is dead because of what Trump did.

United States Capitol Police officer died on Thursday night from injuries sustained “while physically engaging” with pro-Trump rioters who descended on the U.S. Capitol the day before, the fifth fatality linked to the chaos that engulfed the nation’s capital on Wednesday, according to the authorities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/capit ... d=msedgntp

So, Trump supporter, are you still on board?

I bet many of those involved in the riot have Thin Blue Line flags flying from their homes or trucks......

[Coydog]

Biden brought up the prior protests, then glossed over them as though they wore OK. I damn near threw something at the TV at that point and shut him off. See if you can find a youtube of his "talk" today.

Yes, despite Biden continually condemning violence that arose from protests last summer, the real outrage was that in the immediate aftermath of a seditious and deadly insurrection intentionally stoked by our sitting president, Biden did not directly address past BLM protests to the satisfaction of right wingnuts.



Biden has consistently condemned instances of violent protest, including BLM and antifa

[XtremeJibber2001]

Wild. Now they will eat their own. It was all for nothing.

https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1347612365093826565

[deadheadskier]

Wild. Now they will eat their own. It was all for nothing.

https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1347612365093826565

Graham is not their own. He's a RINO. All Republicans are who aren't lock step with Trump/Q

[Bubba]

Wild. Now they will eat their own. It was all for nothing.

https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1347612365093826565

At least they were wearing masks.