Remote Pass Suspensions

[Bubba]

i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product.

This is true for every company I have ever worked for. Higher margins mean more profit per dollar of revenue. This ensures the company can cover operating costs, invest in growth, and remain resilient during economic downturns. Banks will give you more favorable interest rates, and the company will look more attractive to investors.

I also refuse to pay for the $8.00 Gatorade, but I may occasionally buy a 15-dollar fiddlehead.

This is economics and marketing 101 level stuff.

[Skid Mark]

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.

their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.

i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.

Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .

Okay smart guy, name a business that cares about the customer more than turning a profit.

It's called a lost leader dumbass. Lure people in with a fair deal and then make the profit on incremental income once you have the customer on the hook. It's why season passes are cheaper than ever.

I'm suggesting mountains do similar for some segments of infrequent and uneducated skiers that don't have awareness of off season deals, pre buys etc. There are many many people like this. Ski forum participants and their knowledge of how to make the sport more affordable are not the norm. In this case, I'm suggesting mountains target new parents with a lost leader deal. Why that group? To build their bench of future regulars.

Look at what is going on at Chili's right now. That was a dying chain. It's now the hottest chain in the country. Why? A successful lost leader meal deal. Applebee's is now copying them.

Business 101 Throbster

I was responding to 'ski' you mental midget.

[deadheadskier]

i realized post covid that they dont care how many people ski. they care about how much they can charge and get away with. for example: the $8.50 gatorade at k1. totally ridiculous, offensive even. they rather have less people buy a higher marked up product, than more people buy a lesser marked up product. theyd still profit off a $4 gatorade which probably only costs them a $1 or so, but their stupid unsustainable business strategy is to make things exclusive and expensive as possible while running on as little labor they can get away with for the lowest pay possible.

their business strategy pre covid was to get more people into the sport - the learn to packages where you got lifts, lessons, rentals and new skis/board at the completion was a great program. they also pushed group sales with tour buses and UK school groups... after covid all they want is rich people participating. i took a couple of runs yesterday and was able to walk right onto k1 gondi. on NYE. normally it would be a zoo. their strategy of chasing high net worth people and pushing the rest out of the sport is going to affect the whole community. less people coming up = less business on the access rd. as a full time local for many years ive been talking to friends and everyone is saying business is down. i sense a recession coming, whatever the f*** this bubble is is about to pop.

i strongly disagree with their business strategy. snowboarding saved my life, and it shouldnt just be for rich people. especially not on state land.

Asher . . Thanks! Glad to see that not EVERYONE is licking Killington's boots . . So many people on here have their heads up the Beast's ass . . Killington does not care about you . . only your wallet . .

Okay smart guy, name a business that cares about the customer more than turning a profit.

It's called a lost leader dumbass. Lure people in with a fair deal and then make the profit on incremental income once you have the customer on the hook. It's why season passes are cheaper than ever.

I'm suggesting mountains do similar for some segments of infrequent and uneducated skiers that don't have awareness of off season deals, pre buys etc. There are many many people like this. Ski forum participants and their knowledge of how to make the sport more affordable are not the norm. In this case, I'm suggesting mountains target new parents with a lost leader deal. Why that group? To build their bench of future regulars.

Look at what is going on at Chili's right now. That was a dying chain. It's now the hottest chain in the country. Why? A successful lost leader meal deal. Applebee's is now copying them.

Business 101 Throbster

I was responding to 'ski' you mental midget.

I know you were.

Maybe have your kids explain to you how Internet discussion forums work.

[hillbangin]

Bring these to the hill and pack a couple Sip O Sunshine cans in the boot bag.

I don't do it to save money. I do it because I don't want to pay 5x cost.

Also - share the 20 dollar chicken finger meal. It's a great deal.

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[Low Rider]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

[urungus]

It's called a lost leader dumbass

LOL you mean “loss leader”

[Skid Mark]

It's called a lost leader dumbass

LOL you mean “loss leader”

[hillbangin]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

Correct.

Only a lunatic would leave a infant at that place.

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[Low Rider]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

Correct.

Only a lunatic would leave a infant at that place.

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Right - I think it is great for lessons and going in for snack etc for the “older” kids (still a germ petrie dish) but leaving a one or two year old there for the day is no bueno

[Pedro]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

Correct.

Only a lunatic would leave a infant at that place.

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Right - I think it is great for lessons and going in for snack etc for the “older” kids (still a germ petrie dish) but leaving a one or two year old there for the day is no bueno

This is consistent with every daycare in the United States. I heard a few in Utah autoclave the infants before letting them play with the other kids; however, they are struggling to grow the business.

[asher2789]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

forgive me as i dont have or want kids, but wouldnt this be true of any daycare place?

[Low Rider]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

forgive me as i dont have or want kids, but wouldnt this be true of any daycare place?

We never heavily relied on daycare, but our one experience at Killington was incredibly worse than other (non ski resort) places we did utilize it. This was years ago so no idea if it is different now, but after that one day we left saying never again.

[Skid Mark]

Slander much?

Unless you have a specific example of negligence, you should shut your pie hole.

My youngest started in Killington day care, then Mini Stars and finally Unleashed. I had nothing but good experiences with their kids programs. Excellent staff every year.

[asher2789]

Most ski resorts do offer Daycare and kids ski programs. They came in very handy when mine were too young to hang with us.

Sure, that works for some demographics; good incomes, maybe a schedule that allows enough time to ski that it warrants buying a pass.

But, numerous new parents are strapped for cash and time to ski often. So, let's do the math if those folks wanted to ski Killington this Saturday. Pre buying online:

Tickets for mom and dad plus one day care participant.

Order Summary
Sub-Total
$589.14
Tax
$22.20
Total
$611.34

(That's just day care. If you want to add a snow play lesson it's another $80)

The adult single ticket price is $185.07 before tax. I'm suggesting offering a single ticket for $205 that can be swapped back and forth between the parents. Very few parents would spend $6-700 for a single day of skiing. Many might be willing to pay $205 though.

And also assumes parents are willing to leave their kid in the germ cesspool that is the ski mountain day cares. We did it once with our youngest at Killington and based on the experience never would do it again. We did a few lessons once the kids were a little older, but would avoid the true "day care" service at all costs.

forgive me as i dont have or want kids, but wouldnt this be true of any daycare place?

We never heavily relied on daycare, but our one experience at Killington was incredibly worse than other (non ski resort) places we did utilize it. This was years ago so no idea if it is different now, but after that one day we left saying never again.

while its unlikely you have kids that age still, the entire staff from your time has probably turned over by now. ive personally never heard anything bad and have had a lot of friends involved with the childrens programs over the years. its also one of the employment perks is priority for a daycare spot i believe at a reduced rate....

[Captain Hafski]

And this thread started out how ?