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Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 11th, '24, 20:06
by Grmmtnhkr34
snoloco wrote: Jan 11th, '24, 17:00 Skyeship opens tomorrow, and Killington retakes the title of having the most open terrain in the east.
South Face opens at okemo tomorrow as well as upper mtn road.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 08:43
by rogman
newpylong1 wrote: Jan 11th, '24, 13:00 If I had to guess they still need more snow on GE whether they are making it or not. I don't think they got very much run time down low before this past storm.
Very cold weather coming in after tonight’s storm. Since they have enough to open, would make sense to delay the low elevation stuff until then.

I’m wondering if conditions are ripe for a slide due to tonight’s storm. The untracked steeps are slick and smooth. Any avi expert’s care to weigh in?

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 09:15
by hillbangin
rogman wrote:
newpylong1 wrote: Jan 11th, '24, 13:00 If I had to guess they still need more snow on GE whether they are making it or not. I don't think they got very much run time down low before this past storm.
Very cold weather coming in after tonight’s storm. Since they have enough to open, would make sense to delay the low elevation stuff until then.

I’m wondering if conditions are ripe for a slide due to tonight’s storm. The untracked steeps are slick and smooth. Any avi expert’s care to weigh in?
Don't side cut the head walls and you'll be fine.

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Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 11:40
by Eddytheyetti
rogman wrote:
newpylong1 wrote: Jan 11th, '24, 13:00 If I had to guess they still need more snow on GE whether they are making it or not. I don't think they got very much run time down low before this past storm.
Very cold weather coming in after tonight’s storm. Since they have enough to open, would make sense to delay the low elevation stuff until then.

I’m wondering if conditions are ripe for a slide due to tonight’s storm. The untracked steeps are slick and smooth. Any avi expert’s care to weigh in?
Definitely going swap out my selfie stick for the ice axe and Avi bag.


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Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 17:45
by rogman
Incredibly grateful for the useless information I didn’t ask for. I’ve done back country cat skiing in the Canadian Rockies where a transponder (and training to use it) was mandated. I was asking for someone with expertise on avi forecasting and prediction. You guys ain’t it. I won’t be wearing a beacon tomorrow and I doubt I’ll need powder straps either. Sheesh.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 18:26
by Downdraft
From the only person on this site that has actual avi knowledge…

East coast or west coast, anything steep that has snow should be track packed before snowmaking on it. While rare, you put a load of man made snow on top of a weak layer and it will rip. Seen it twice, been a part of in first hand once.

Besides that, nothing else is sliding anywhere in bounds, anywhere on the east coast.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 18:46
by hillbangin
rogman wrote:Incredibly grateful for the useless information I didn’t ask for. I’ve done back country cat skiing in the Canadian Rockies where a transponder (and training to use it) was mandated. I was asking for someone with expertise on avi forecasting and prediction. You guys ain’t it. I won’t be wearing a beacon tomorrow and I doubt I’ll need powder straps either. Sheesh.
Well....ask a stupid question get a stupid answer.



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Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 19:52
by simpletwist
hillbangin wrote: Jan 12th, '24, 18:46
rogman wrote:Incredibly grateful for the useless information I didn’t ask for. I’ve done back country cat skiing in the Canadian Rockies where a transponder (and training to use it) was mandated. I was asking for someone with expertise on avi forecasting and prediction. You guys ain’t it. I won’t be wearing a beacon tomorrow and I doubt I’ll need powder straps either. Sheesh.
Well....ask a stupid question get a stupid answer.



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Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 20:50
by rogman
Actually, there was a small slide on skiers right of the Skyeburst headwall a few days ago when snowmaking began. A fairly steep pile had built up there from the gun that’s running top right pretty much all the time. When guns on skiers left were added, they built up snow on this pitch and eventually a slab broke free. The area where it ended up extended about 20 or 30 yards down the headwall. It eventually got buried and was groomed out.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 21:11
by Captain Hafski
rogman wrote: Jan 12th, '24, 20:50 Actually, there was a small slide on skiers right of the Skyeburst headwall a few days ago when snowmaking began. A fairly steep pile had built up there from the gun that’s running top right pretty much all the time. When guns on skiers left were added, they built up snow on this pitch and eventually a slab broke free. The area where it ended up extended about 20 or 30 yards down the headwall. It eventually got buried and was groomed out.
Correction: That was not a steep pile, that was an Ice Cone.

BTW Rog:
Did you read my Wednesday Report before heading down Lower RF Thursday?

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 21:29
by Mister Moose
Downdraft wrote: Jan 12th, '24, 18:26 East coast or west coast, anything steep that has snow should be track packed before snowmaking on it. While rare, you put a load of man made snow on top of a weak layer and it will rip. Seen it twice, been a part of in first hand once.
For those that weren't here or forgot, Double Dipper slid pretty much the whole trail width circa 2008, depositing Barcalounger chunks into the snowmaking hydrants. Hydrants lost. Luckily not during operating hours. Been a few others.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 12th, '24, 22:49
by newpylong1
Believe it's happened on Conclusion as well. The one on Double Dipper was intense.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 13th, '24, 05:23
by skiadikt
also vertigo & lower o.

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 13th, '24, 05:34
by rogman
Mister Moose wrote: Jan 12th, '24, 21:29 For those that weren't here or forgot, Double Dipper slid pretty much the whole trail width circa 2008, depositing Barcalounger chunks into the snowmaking hydrants. Hydrants lost. Luckily not during operating hours. Been a few others.
Barcalounger chunks? Kzone will use anything but the metric system! These examples are snowmaking induced slides, My question was really about a naturally occurring slide. It just seems like the combination of a smooth hard frozen base with some light powder might create conditions for a small naturally occurring slide. Looking at the warmer temps probably can’t happen. New snow will likely bond well to the base.

Killington shut down the guns on Skyeburst and Needles late in the day, but continued on Bearly. I assume the last has enough to groom and open but I doubt they’re done there. Bear Cub and Sundog have been announced for next week. The Sunrise chair is running this weekend.

BTW, happy hour starts at 3PM at the Sunrise Bar and Grill. Food has been amazing there this year, better than anything on the Access road. Try the duck! A limited number of 4$ budlite tall boys if that’s your thing. /shameless plug on behalf of the excellent people that work there

Re: Expansion

Posted: Jan 13th, '24, 07:13
by skiadikt
rogman wrote: Jan 13th, '24, 05:34
Mister Moose wrote: Jan 12th, '24, 21:29 For those that weren't here or forgot, Double Dipper slid pretty much the whole trail width circa 2008, depositing Barcalounger chunks into the snowmaking hydrants. Hydrants lost. Luckily not during operating hours. Been a few others.
Killington shut down the guns on Skyeburst and Needles late in the day, but continued on Bearly. I assume the last has enough to groom and open but I doubt they’re done there. Bear Cub and Sundog have been announced for next week. The Sunrise chair is running this weekend.
if the lifts ever open today, bearly listed as open. like GE, probably another paint & run job to get open for the holiday, similar to what they did at xmas. will probably revisit both. meanwhile, hurry up & wait ...