Rick Torrey

[KMartman]

Consider what the first offender loses with a year in jail:

Standing in the community
His job
Is now tagged a felon for life
Must register as a sex offender
Plus doing the time itself, coupled with all the trial time and publicity.

To me, that's pretty devastating.

If all this isn't much of a deterrent, is 2 years? 3?

Do I think 1 year is "sufficient?" Sufficient implies a causative cure, or adequate disincentive. If all of our prison sentences met that criteria, we would have no repeat offenders. But yes, I do think 1 full year in jail is enough to give you pause before committing the crime of downloading an illegal image. Federal guidelines for downloading multiple images, no other factors, are 21-27 months. That's the government's version of sufficient.

I previously stated that Grahams sentence seems light given that he also uploaded images to others and admitted to fondling a neighbor. I do not feel that 1 year is sufficient in his case.

The strictest laws of course were meant for the Reardons of the world. He would have received multiple life sentences had he been discovered and convicted. He reached that level because he was never caught. The laws, however severe, do not come into play until he is caught. No matter how many years you throw at Graham or Torrey, Reardon wouldn't have been swayed or deterred. The lesson from Reardon is not stricter sentences but better handling of complaints like Kevin Hunt’s in 1970.

Are you advocating harsher sentences (then the federal guidelines) for the RT's of the world, because he hasn't done it yet, but we know he will later? How scary is that? A government that hands out punishment based on what it thinks you will do in the future. Do all viewers of pedophilia go on to be molesters? How about the percentage of pot smokers that go on to cocaine? The percentage of drunk drivers that go on to kill someone? Let's lock them all up too, just in case they might get worse.

There is no death penalty for this crime, and as a country we seem to be slowly moving away from the death penalty. I think your issue might be with the federal guidelines and capital punishment.

WOW I suddenly now feel sorry for rich that his life will be ruined...WTF...what about the f*** kids lives that were ruined so Rick could have his little fun....? Man you dont even give them a second thought.

someone else mentioned it...he should be held to the same level of punishment as the people who did the deed....f*** SCUM RICK TORREY IS...

Lose his job??? I dont think so...cause idiots like you still buy sh*t from his shop...Wonder is ski magazine will be voting them best shop in new england anytime soon.

The way you defend this guy sickens me and im sure MANY others on this board...does he pay you???

M

No he shouldn't. The people who did the deed are worse and deserve harsher penalties.
To suggest otherwise is silly.

Hmmm another loser supporter.....keep supporting the pedophile...I hope he messes with a kid thats close to you....

You play golf with OJ too?

M

[BigKahuna13]

Consider what the first offender loses with a year in jail:

Standing in the community
His job
Is now tagged a felon for life
Must register as a sex offender
Plus doing the time itself, coupled with all the trial time and publicity.

To me, that's pretty devastating.

If all this isn't much of a deterrent, is 2 years? 3?

Do I think 1 year is "sufficient?" Sufficient implies a causative cure, or adequate disincentive. If all of our prison sentences met that criteria, we would have no repeat offenders. But yes, I do think 1 full year in jail is enough to give you pause before committing the crime of downloading an illegal image. Federal guidelines for downloading multiple images, no other factors, are 21-27 months. That's the government's version of sufficient.

I previously stated that Grahams sentence seems light given that he also uploaded images to others and admitted to fondling a neighbor. I do not feel that 1 year is sufficient in his case.

The strictest laws of course were meant for the Reardons of the world. He would have received multiple life sentences had he been discovered and convicted. He reached that level because he was never caught. The laws, however severe, do not come into play until he is caught. No matter how many years you throw at Graham or Torrey, Reardon wouldn't have been swayed or deterred. The lesson from Reardon is not stricter sentences but better handling of complaints like Kevin Hunt’s in 1970.

Are you advocating harsher sentences (then the federal guidelines) for the RT's of the world, because he hasn't done it yet, but we know he will later? How scary is that? A government that hands out punishment based on what it thinks you will do in the future. Do all viewers of pedophilia go on to be molesters? How about the percentage of pot smokers that go on to cocaine? The percentage of drunk drivers that go on to kill someone? Let's lock them all up too, just in case they might get worse.

There is no death penalty for this crime, and as a country we seem to be slowly moving away from the death penalty. I think your issue might be with the federal guidelines and capital punishment.

WOW I suddenly now feel sorry for rich that his life will be ruined...WTF...what about the f*** kids lives that were ruined so Rick could have his little fun....? Man you dont even give them a second thought.

someone else mentioned it...he should be held to the same level of punishment as the people who did the deed....f*** SCUM RICK TORREY IS...

Lose his job??? I dont think so...cause idiots like you still buy sh*t from his shop...Wonder is ski magazine will be voting them best shop in new england anytime soon.

The way you defend this guy sickens me and im sure MANY others on this board...does he pay you???

M

No he shouldn't. The people who did the deed are worse and deserve harsher penalties.
To suggest otherwise is silly.

Hmmm another loser supporter.....keep supporting the pedophile...I hope he messes with a kid thats close to you....

You play golf with OJ too?

M

You know what? You are an incredibly stupid individual. You don't know me from a hole in wall. I've never met Torrey, I've never even been in his shop. I didn't even say that a year was too much. I merely said that he shouldn't be treated as harshly as those who actually produced the images he bought. Which is a reasonable and sane position to take. But of course you can't see that cause you insist on reducing things to the simplest terms possible which is apparently all your brain can digest.

So what should we give him? 5 years? 10 years? How about 11? That's what the average life sentence works out to. Is downloading kiddie porn
as bad as murder?

And that "I hope he messes with a kid close to you" is probably the most spiteful and moronic thing I've read in a long time. You are beneath contempt.

[b-5]

as long as there is a market there will be consumers.
Eliminate the consumers and the market will dry up.

[KMartman]

as long as there is a market there will be consumers.
Eliminate the consumers and the market will dry up.

AMEN

M

[KMartman]

So what should we give him? 5 years? 10 years? How about 11? That's what the average life sentence works out to. Is downloading kiddie porn
as bad as murder?

FOREVER isnt ENOUGH time for a pedophile.......he should be put away forever...ZERO TOLERANCE!!!!!!!

Its worse than murder IMHO...at least if youre dead you dont have to think about how you were molested for the rest of your life....victims of child pornography NEVER FORGET!!!!!

Maybe you, sir, should sit and ponder that for a minute...IN ITS SIMPLEST TERMS....

Eff you and your contempt!!!! Like I give a sh*t about you.

M

[b-5]

R, Kelly off de hook!
video was too grainy to tell if it was Dat pervert breaking de law.
maybe he should join oj in search of the perp.

[Mister Moose]

I don't think you got even one point right.

WOW I suddenly now feel sorry for rich that his life will be ruined...WTF...what about the f*** kids lives that were ruined so Rick could have his little fun....? Man you dont even give them a second thought.


someone else mentioned it...he should be held to the same level of punishment as the people who did the deed....f*** SCUM RICK TORREY IS...

Lose his job??? I dont think so...cause idiots like you still buy sh*t from his shop...Wonder is ski magazine will be voting them best shop in new england anytime soon.

The way you defend this guy sickens me and im sure MANY others on this board...does he pay you???

M

Of course I think of the kids who's lives are ruined. That's why I think the penalties for those who do the actual abusing should be MORE severe. If you can't agree that a more agregious crime deserves a more harsh punishment, we have no common ground. Go take it up with your congressman because the entire federal government and legal system disagrees with you.

I knew someone would mention Rick wouldn't lose his job in this particular case. You just can't write anything on this board without someone misinterpreting it, or the alternative is to write 2 pages of footnotes and explanations every time. Read it again. I'm talking about a hypothetical person who is found guilty of downloading a few images and is sentenced to a year. We don't know what RT's sentence is yet. Most hypothetical individuals have employers and would lose their job when they went to jail.

I have never defended Rick's actions. Apparently you consider any opinion other than support of his life imprisonment as defending Rick. That isn't how our our justice system works. In our system, the victim is not allowed to choose the guilty's punishment. An impartial judge or jury decides these matters, someone who can weigh the damage to the victim, damage to society, the need for a deterrent, and the background and record of the accused. I am ok with that process.

Why do you find it necessary to insult people who's opinions are not the same as yours? Does it make your opinions more valid that way?

[Coydog]

Hmmm another loser supporter.....keep supporting the pedophile...I hope he messes with a kid thats close to you....
M

This is a very tough topic to discuss on a purely rational basis because at some level it involves innocent children - emotion is bound to creep in. But hoping for violence on a child, any child, to make a point is really crossing the line.

[Coydog]

It seems to me the act of possessing child porn is more about the actor than the tenuous link to victims. For example, imagine someone who was in possession of kiddie porn that was completely synthesized – i.e. entirely computer generated using no images of actual children. Now in this scenario, there are no physical victims (I suppose one could argue a crime has occurred against a class of people, though no specific individuals), but I think most would agree this is still an intolerable act. Intentionally viewing child pornography, even if synthesized, is wrong in our society and must be dealt with to avoid what might evolve into a more dangerous progression.

Some form of punishment seems in order, but wouldn’t it also be in society’s best interest to provide treatment to better prevent future escalation?

And to be clear, I am not implying this is the scenario in RT’s case. But given the tone of recent posts in this thread, it is obvious why we have judges determine the sentence and not the jury.

[icedtea]

update?? this pos get time?

[XtremeJibber2001]

update?? this pos get time?

... ask Geoff ...

[Bubba]

According to a shortski post in May:

Sentencing re-scheduled again.

Wed Sept 10 2008
1:00pm
Judge Murtha
Rutland - Courtroom
USA v TORREY, Richard
1:07-CR-114, Sentencing
Fuller/O'Neill/Feldmann

[icedtea]

wow, how long do convicted pedophiles get to walk around for?

[KMartman]

apparently if they have money for quite some time...I hope they have a CLOSE eye on this guys internet activity.....

[Coydog]

The delay in sentencing might actually work against Torrey – there have been several unrelated horrific events regarding child abuse in Vermont recently and this could conceivably impact his sentence.