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Thanks for the warm welcome.

So here's my first thread. I've read on the web that Juggernaut is the longest trail in the USA. Some sites only claim that it's the longest in the East. Are either of these claims true? If so, where's the second longest trail (in the east or in the country) at?

Also, how does Great Eastern compare to Juggernaut?

Finally, and perhaps more importantly, is Juggernaut 6 miles or 10 miles long? I've seen conflicting evidence.

http://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.as ... XFD002-026 (The 10.2-mi Juggernaut is the longest alpine ski trail in the United States)

vs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killington_Ski_Resort (the longest trail in the east is the 6.2-mile (9.9 km) "Juggernaut.")

Who's right?

Thanks!!

Juggernaut was rerouted. It used to go through Sunrise.

1985-1986:
http://teachski.com/brochures/killingto ... gton12.jpg

Now:
http://www.killington.com/images/08-09_Trail_Guide.jpg

The rerouting relates to this thread on a ski bridge over the Sunrise road that is no longer:
http://www.killingtonzone.com/forums/vi ... =1&t=27683

I have no clue how long the thing is.

Geoff wrote:Juggernaut was rerouted. It used to go through Sunrise.

1985-1986:
http://teachski.com/brochures/killingto ... gton12.jpg

Now:
http://www.killington.com/images/08-09_Trail_Guide.jpg

The rerouting relates to this thread on a ski bridge over the Sunrise road that is no longer:
http://www.killingtonzone.com/forums/vi ... =1&t=27683

I have no clue how long the thing is.

Interesting. Perhaps the rerouting accounts for the different estimates regarding Juggernaut's length. Anyone else have info about this? It would be cool to know for sure whether K has the longest downhill run in the country and, if so, how long it is.

skiersleft wrote:

Geoff wrote:Juggernaut was rerouted. It used to go through Sunrise.

1985-1986:
http://teachski.com/brochures/killingto ... gton12.jpg

Now:
http://www.killington.com/images/08-09_Trail_Guide.jpg

The rerouting relates to this thread on a ski bridge over the Sunrise road that is no longer:
http://www.killingtonzone.com/forums/vi ... =1&t=27683

I have no clue how long the thing is.

Interesting. Perhaps the rerouting accounts for the different estimates regarding Juggernaut's length. Anyone else have info about this? It would be cool to know for sure whether K has the longest downhill run in the country and, if so, how long it is.

Calling that trail downhill is a bit of a stretch

daytripper wrote:

skiersleft wrote:

Geoff wrote:Juggernaut was rerouted. It used to go through Sunrise.

1985-1986:
http://teachski.com/brochures/killingto ... gton12.jpg

Now:
http://www.killington.com/images/08-09_Trail_Guide.jpg

The rerouting relates to this thread on a ski bridge over the Sunrise road that is no longer:
http://www.killingtonzone.com/forums/vi ... =1&t=27683

I have no clue how long the thing is.

Interesting. Perhaps the rerouting accounts for the different estimates regarding Juggernaut's length. Anyone else have info about this? It would be cool to know for sure whether K has the longest downhill run in the country and, if so, how long it is.

Calling that trail downhill is a bit of a stretch

True, but, assuming that it qualifies as a downhill trail, is it the longest one in the country and how long is it? Come one, Zoners...I was sure that someone here would know the answer to this question. I won't be able to sleep tonight without knowing whether K has the longest trail in the USA.

I would have to think it has to be if you include all the way down to skyeship. I took it once when I first started to ski K and it sure seemed like the longest thing in the world

Longest, hmmm, not sure, but I am pretty sure you have to walk part of it and it's flat. So if that counts as a trail then I guess I have been on longer, cuz one time I skied a trail on Sundayriver took my board off and put it in my truck drove to sugarloaf and skied from the top of the Loaf to the base and left. I am guessing it was over 75 miles.

Hopefully I'll get a serious answer to my question before the night is over!!

skiersleft wrote:Hopefully I'll get a serious answer to my question before the night is over!!

Here? On KZone? Hahahahahahaha!

Seriously: it used to be 10 miles long; it's now approximately 6 1/2 miles long; I do believe that it's still the longest marked downhill Alpine trail in the East; and it's an awful, time-consuming, mostly-flat experience.

Oh, and welcome to the jungle.

They did not remove 3.5 miles of Juggernaut when Sunrise was hacked. The only section that was removed was what is now called "Juggernaut Too" (the old Juggernaut Too went down to Northeast Passage base) that wraps above the Northeast Passage and back - the remainder, all the way down to Rt 4 remains. If it used to be 10 miles it's now 9, etc. A flatter and by far crappier trail was the Sunrise Trail, which started in this same area. Do any traces of that remain?

Sunrise Trail partly exists in neutered form still, for the condos. (It's on the map), but it's essentially a dead-end. The path around is still visible on google earth though, but I have no idea if it's clear in person past the maintained area still on the map. Upon thinking about it, my money is on abandoned and growing in, the Woodward pipe is on sundog I think, and I don't think the snowmobile operation used it.

I think that Juggernaut and Solitude are the only trails I have never skied at K, because of all the warnings here about them being so flat. Every once in awhile I'm tempted to try them, just to say I was on them, but the thought of poleing and skating and wearing myself out on one trail isn't so attractive, and I always "pass". Maybe someday the curiosity will get the better of me...

Also, to answer the OP's question, Great Eastern and Juggernaut have nothing in common. Juggernaut BARELY qualifies as a downhill ski trail, stay off of it if it isn't cold enough to keep it frozen solid, you will be walking for miles. Great Eastern is a long, nice winding beginner trail with enough pitch for most people to not have to pole, although it gets crowded on weekends.

Thanks for all of the replies.

I haven't tried Juggernaut, but will try it this winter. Although from what I've read here it seems that I won't enjoy it, I think I should give it a try at least once.

It appears that it is so flat that it almost qualifies as a nordic trail (or barely qualifies as an apline trail). Regardless, it's listed on non-Killington websites as an alpine trail, and thus appears to at least nominally be in the race for the longest downhill trail in the East and/or country. What's surprising, however, is that most of the replies don't have an answer to the original question. How long is Juggernaut and is it the longest in the East or country. Commercial websites sometimes list it as 10 miles long, sometimes as 6. That's a huge difference.

Newpylong suggests that the reroute would at the most cut Juggernaut's length from 10 to 9 miles, if it in fact was 10 miles long to begin with. It's unclear to me, however, that it really was 10 miles long or whether it was originally 6 miles long. No one has attempted to answer this question. Perhaps someone can calculate the trail's length by using a computer program and settle this very important question once and for all!!!!

@Skiersleft, 6 miles long from the top of K-Peak to the Bear parking lot. 10 miles long from the top of K-peak to the base of the Skyeship. Almost definite on those answers.