nationally and in the East?
I know they're not releasing these numbers, but any estimates? Geoff would have some ideas, but he's MIA.
How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
Stop kidding around, TT. I'm asking for annual skier visits for the resort.tt431 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33152
But I bet I've skied more days than you this season.
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
skiersleft wrote:Stop kidding around, TT. I'm asking for annual skier visits for the resort.tt431 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33152
What is a skier visit?
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
It's when a skier or rider visits a resort and gets a lift ticket to access the terrain. It's actually more difficult to answer this question than I thought.Stormchaser wrote:skiersleft wrote:Stop kidding around, TT. I'm asking for annual skier visits for the resort.tt431 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33152
What is a skier visit?
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
skiersleft wrote:It's when a skier or rider visits a resort and gets a lift ticket to access the terrain. It's actually more difficult to answer this question than I thought.Stormchaser wrote:skiersleft wrote:Stop kidding around, TT. I'm asking for annual skier visits for the resort.tt431 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33152
What is a skier visit?
Do season pass holder visits do not count as skier visits? Employee pass visits? If someone buys an eticket online and never shows up, is that a skier visit? Or doesn't use part of a mutiday pass? Do stays in K properties count too (can you be a skier and not ski but visit)? How does stay and ski free work? What about voucher deals and free passes, are those skier visits? Does the cost of the ticket ever factor in (discount, free)?
Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
PowdrKillington refuses to release those numbers, so there's no hard data.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
What happened to your avatar?JerseyGuy wrote:PowdrKillington refuses to release those numbers, so there's no hard data.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
Hadn't even noticed! Probably a sign from the Avatar Gods that I need a new one.tt431 wrote:What happened to your avatar?JerseyGuy wrote:PowdrKillington refuses to release those numbers, so there's no hard data.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
Hmmm... gonna have to think about that one...
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
Phenomenal questions. Now make yourself useful and answer them or help with the numbers.Stormchaser wrote:skiersleft wrote:It's when a skier or rider visits a resort and gets a lift ticket to access the terrain. It's actually more difficult to answer this question than I thought.Stormchaser wrote:skiersleft wrote:Stop kidding around, TT. I'm asking for annual skier visits for the resort.tt431 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33152
What is a skier visit?
Do season pass holder visits do not count as skier visits? Employee pass visits? If someone buys an eticket online and never shows up, is that a skier visit? Or doesn't use part of a mutiday pass? Do stays in K properties count too (can you be a skier and not ski but visit)? How does stay and ski free work? What about voucher deals and free passes, are those skier visits? Does the cost of the ticket ever factor in (discount, free)?
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
So, any idea how does 650K visits a year ranks with other ski resorts nationally? In the East? I'm guessing it ranks quite well on both counts. I'm sure it does in the East. Curious as to how it ranks against Western resorts.JerseyGuy wrote:PowdrKillington refuses to release those numbers, so there's no hard data.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
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I seem to remember reading that ski resorts do not have a standardized method of calculating skier visits. While a day ticket is obvious, there are allocations to pass holders. Those resorts with scanners can use an allocation or scan results. I remember there was a year when several resorts switched methods and skewed the state's numbers noticably. My guess is guests who do not ski are not counted. Guests who buy any of the ski packages or vouchers still receive a lift ticket and are counted. Not sure on employees.skiersleft wrote:Phenomenal questions. Now make yourself useful and answer them or help with the numbers.Stormchaser wrote: Do season pass holder visits do not count as skier visits? Employee pass visits? If someone buys an eticket online and never shows up, is that a skier visit? Or doesn't use part of a mutiday pass? Do stays in K properties count too (can you be a skier and not ski but visit)? How does stay and ski free work? What about voucher deals and free passes, are those skier visits? Does the cost of the ticket ever factor in (discount, free)?
Free tickets are still a visit, the number they would affect is the yield per skier.
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
Skier visit: one person skiing one day at an area. Doesn't matter what type of ticket/pass, including comps, they have or how many runs they take. With a scanning system like killington, if you are not scanned your day doesn't count towards their total.
Ticket revenue: total revenue from the sale of passes, tix, discount tix, combo deals, etc.
Ticket yield: $ per visit average, over a season, week, etc. Powdr pushed to increase this average their first year, at the cost of visits. They have since been fairly aggressive with promos to boost visits.
Ticket revenue: total revenue from the sale of passes, tix, discount tix, combo deals, etc.
Ticket yield: $ per visit average, over a season, week, etc. Powdr pushed to increase this average their first year, at the cost of visits. They have since been fairly aggressive with promos to boost visits.
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Re: How Many Skier Visits Does K Do and How Does it Rank
Killington's still #1 in the East, although they've fallen back to the pack in recent years. Okemo's #2 (that distinction used to belong to Mount Snow).skiersleft wrote:So, any idea how does 650K visits a year ranks with other ski resorts nationally? In the East? I'm guessing it ranks quite well on both counts. I'm sure it does in the East. Curious as to how it ranks against Western resorts.JerseyGuy wrote:PowdrKillington refuses to release those numbers, so there's no hard data.
We've guessed in the past that they're now down to somewhere between 650,000 and 700,000. Could be a bit more than that.
Versus the West? I'm guessing it'd be upper-middle-ish of the pack.
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