NSR: Corona Virus - You Can Start Panicking Now

[madhatter]

First 2 Vt. deaths announced.

Health Commissioner Mark Levine said it's not currently known what the cause of death for each person was, nor if they had pre-existing conditions. He said that both were older individuals who likely received the virus through community transmission.

One is reported to have been a nursing home resident in Burlington so presumably had preexisting issues.

both were over the age of 80 the other was at the VA hospital...just talked to my friend at rutland, still ZERO positive tests...

good news about rutland so far ...

Don't get too excited. Rutland suffers from pretty much everything else.

Was in town yesterday afternoon. Hannaford's paper goods, canned veggies, canned soup shelves are close to empty; pasta shelves look better than they did last Friday. If anyone goes shopping, don't forget to use the hand sanitizer on the way out of the store.

well the good news was that most anyone who may have been here when K was still open and was infected then or already would likely go to rutland...since zero tests came back positive so far, anyone who has steered clear of K since then is less likely to have been exposed than if there had been a number of positives each day...

don't disagree on the rest of the take on rutland ( likely many other places too)...people sb holing up as best as possible right now...hopefully people have done their shopping etc already...

time for everyone to make every attempt to shelter in place/stay at home/don't mix w other people...

[ejrides]

Is anyone else sick of the ventilator meme? As in GM and Tesla both said they would build them. LOL WUT? And some asshat on reddit wanted to design an opensource one and 3-D Print it.

These are specialized pieces of medical equipment that are assembled by qualified manufacturers, with components coming from multiple subcontractors. I'm sure GM and Tesla could build certain components to print and maybe even a full unit given enough time, with an established design and manufacturing data package. There's no way they are designing from scratch. I'm sure they could help out with resources though.

They don't need to design them, they need to build them. As others have said, manufacturing is manufacturing. Give a machinist the plans and get out of the way. Look at what companies like IBM, Singer, Rock-Ola, Inland (GM), National Postal Meter, and International Harvester built during WWII (the list goes on, but you get the point).

Yeah, it doesn't work like that. I sell medical technology for one of the largest device companies in the world. We actually produce and sell ventilators in most International markets, but not North America. Ironically we are planning on introducing our ventilators to the NA market in 2021 and I'll be selling them. Once this sh*t hit the fan, virtually every hospital has asked us, why can't we make it happen now? Well, at minimum it takes 6 months for a 510k submission to be approved for a new device to sell in the US market. But say we throw out all regulations and get a 1 day approval. it still takes about 30 days to manufacture one and put it through quality checks, then you have to ship it. Vast majority of ventilators are produced in Germany or China. It's 20-30 days by boat to get here, another 5-10 to clear customs, then another 5 or so to get shipped out the door from local distribution. Hospital gets it in pieces, field engineers need to assemble it, specialized educators need to train hospital staff for several days on how to use it without killing the patient. So, yeah, basically 100 days from the first screw turned to implementation at a hospital under best circumstances.

Back up where I said most of these devices are produced in China or Germany. Those places have a Coronavirus problem too and production is frantic to meet the demand in their own countries. Production is at an absolute maximum as is to meet the demand globally.

I've painted the picture of current day. I won't even speculate on the many years it took to design the products and build the specialized manufacturing facilities needed to build them.

So No. Just freaking No. Tesla can't set up an emergency ventilator production facility in the time it's needed because of this emergency.

Not saying this would be easy, but you should go back and look at what this country did in the first years of WWII, the numbers are staggering. In 1939 annual aircraft production for the US Military was 3000; by the end of the war we had produced 300000. At its vast Willow Run plant in Ypsilanti, Michigan, the Ford Motor Company performed something like a miracle 24-hours a day. The average Ford car had some 15,000 parts. The B-24 Liberator long-range bomber had 1,550,000. One came off the line every 63 minutes.

Those who believe something is impossible should get out of the way of those who are doing it.

[iRock]

Is anyone else sick of the ventilator meme? As in GM and Tesla both said they would build them. LOL WUT? And some asshat on reddit wanted to design an opensource one and 3-D Print it.

These are specialized pieces of medical equipment that are assembled by qualified manufacturers, with components coming from multiple subcontractors. I'm sure GM and Tesla could build certain components to print and maybe even a full unit given enough time, with an established design and manufacturing data package. There's no way they are designing from scratch. I'm sure they could help out with resources though.

They don't need to design them, they need to build them. As others have said, manufacturing is manufacturing. Give a machinist the plans and get out of the way. Look at what companies like IBM, Singer, Rock-Ola, Inland (GM), National Postal Meter, and International Harvester built during WWII (the list goes on, but you get the point).

Yeah, it doesn't work like that. I sell medical technology for one of the largest device companies in the world. We actually produce and sell ventilators in most International markets, but not North America. Ironically we are planning on introducing our ventilators to the NA market in 2021 and I'll be selling them. Once this sh*t hit the fan, virtually every hospital has asked us, why can't we make it happen now? Well, at minimum it takes 6 months for a 510k submission to be approved for a new device to sell in the US market. But say we throw out all regulations and get a 1 day approval. it still takes about 30 days to manufacture one and put it through quality checks, then you have to ship it. Vast majority of ventilators are produced in Germany or China. It's 20-30 days by boat to get here, another 5-10 to clear customs, then another 5 or so to get shipped out the door from local distribution. Hospital gets it in pieces, field engineers need to assemble it, specialized educators need to train hospital staff for several days on how to use it without killing the patient. So, yeah, basically 100 days from the first screw turned to implementation at a hospital under best circumstances.

Back up where I said most of these devices are produced in China or Germany. Those places have a Coronavirus problem too and production is frantic to meet the demand in their own countries. Production is at an absolute maximum as is to meet the demand globally.

I've painted the picture of current day. I won't even speculate on the many years it took to design the products and build the specialized manufacturing facilities needed to build them.

So No. Just freaking No. Tesla can't set up an emergency ventilator production facility in the time it's needed because of this emergency.

Not saying this would be easy, but you should go back and look at what this country did in the first years of WWII, the numbers are staggering. In 1939 annual aircraft production for the US Military was 3000; by the end of the war we had produced 300000. At its vast Willow Run plant in Ypsilanti, Michigan, the Ford Motor Company performed something like a miracle 24-hours a day. The average Ford car had some 15,000 parts. The B-24 Liberator long-range bomber had 1,550,000. One came off the line every 63 minutes.

Those who believe something is impossible should get out of the way of those who are doing it.

Yeah but we've been at this for 3 weeks not 5 years...as you said..."by the end of the war"...

[madhatter]

COVID-19 ACTIVITY IN VERMONT
Positive test results* 29
Total tests conducted 808
Deaths+ 2
People being monitored 264
People who have completed monitoring 288


*Includes testing conducted at the Vermont Department of Health Laboratory, commercial labs, and other public health labs.
+Death occurring in persons known to have COVID-19. Death certificate may be pending.

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW NOW
If you have symptoms of COVID-19 and mild illness, you can stay home and treat your symptoms. Not everyone needs to be tested. Testing is not treatment and we have limited ability to test.

If you are sick or concerned about your health: Contact your health care provider by phone. Not everybody needs to be tested. Do not call the Health Department. Do not go to the hospital, except in a life-threatening situation.

[SnoBrdr]

New York liquor stores deemed ‘essential’ and can stay open amid coronavirus crisis

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus ... story.html

[daytripper]

New York liquor stores deemed ‘essential’ and can stay open amid coronavirus crisis

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus ... story.html

Too expensive, I stopped in NH coming home last weekend and grabbed a 2 month supply.

[Highway Star]

More Chinese propaganda:



Really need to read between the lines here:

- They are sending home 3,700 doctors, nurses and misc support in this batch, out of 40K+ brought in
- 80K confirmed cases in China, peak of 3,887 new cases per day (if you want to believe the official numbers)
- They were there for about 40 days, so since early February
- Urban Wuhan is about 590 sq mi and 9M people
- Hubei Providence is 71.8K sq miles and 58.5M people, or about half the size of CA with 20M more people
- Look at those huge highways that are COMPLETELY empty except for the police escort
- Everyone is wearing masks. Everyone. Even the damn airline pilot at 3:54
- Small groups of official workers to see them off
- Completely empty airport except for the group
- No other plane activity at that airport

Folks, that is what a real lockdown looks like. We are NOT prepared.

Here's another one:

[Highway Star]

3 month FULL lockdown:

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More:

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Some real clips:

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Nurse returning home oops, but sounds like they got it worked out:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kv9c5_1584709206" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

March 11 activity:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=31dS_1583946939" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Highway Star]

Manhattan yesterday:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kofFr_1584675741" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Highway Star]

HUH.

[XtremeJibber2001]

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[Highway Star]

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