Why Don't We Outsource the War?

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Why Don't We Outsource the War?

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According to Thomas Friendman of the NY Times:
A lot of these Indian young men and women have college degrees, but would never get a local job that starts at $200 to $300 a month were it not for the call centers.
If the Indians are willing to work for a $1.25 an hour, why not make a Army or two of them and put them in Iraq. That's big money to them! We'll get millions of them to sign up.

30 Little Turtles by Thomas L. Friendman, 2/29/2004 NY Times
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sh*t and while we are at it, pay em, clothe em, feed em, and if they survive the 6 to 8 year enlistment, give em citizen ship. WTF, we are going to give it to the ILLEGALS FOR f*** FREE ain't we?

Plus, if we have them in the military and then make them citizens, they can't take our jobs. OH, I'm a hands on Service person. Someone in India can't take mine. Never mind.
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Dr. NO wrote:... WTF, we are going to give it to the ILLEGALS FOR f*** FREE ain't we?
Comprehension and retention of information isn't your strong suit, is it..... :roll:
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Bubba wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:... WTF, we are going to give it to the ILLEGALS FOR f*** FREE ain't we?
Comprehension and retention of information isn't your strong suit, is it..... :roll:
splain please. We have laws that say illegals must go. NOPE, they stay. We have laws that prohibit some payouts such as social services to non residents, NOPE, they get it free because some 9th circuit court says you cannot withhold it. We have laws that say identity theft is a felony, but nope, they should be able to collect that money. So, what part of ILLEGAL and FREE am I missing here, vs. hiring a foriegn legion to do our fighting?
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Am I the only one losing my mind with the question "Why has illegal immigration overtaken the quagmire of the Iraq war, $3 gas prices, domestic wiretaps, al Quaeda, Osama bin Laden, assorted scandals associated with elected government officials, et al?"

Did we get too many dishwashers, apple pickers, and landscapers in the last two months and some alarm went off?

Well, I think that the alarm was presidential approval ratings in the low 30's. Are we so sad and pathetic that we permit this distraction to take place?

If we were serious about immigration reform we would start with the corporations that benefit from their cheap labor AND benefit from Bush's tax breaks while the country's worker bees struggle to fill their gas tanks.

Call me crazy...I know you will...but it seems pretty freakin obvious.
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Dr. NO wrote:
Bubba wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:... WTF, we are going to give it to the ILLEGALS FOR f*** FREE ain't we?
Comprehension and retention of information isn't your strong suit, is it..... :roll:
splain please. We have laws that say illegals must go. NOPE, they stay. We have laws that prohibit some payouts such as social services to non residents, NOPE, they get it free because some 9th circuit court says you cannot withhold it. We have laws that say identity theft is a felony, but nope, they should be able to collect that money. So, what part of ILLEGAL and FREE am I missing here, vs. hiring a foriegn legion to do our fighting?
Umm...let's see, since we covered this subject a week or two ago....

The majority of illegals are working. That's why they come here. If the majority were accepting handouts, the argument wouldn't be "they take jobs Americans don't want".

Being that they're working, they're paying income taxes and Social Security. If they're using fake SS numbers as some must be doing, then they're paying into the system without ever having a hope of taking out.

Many illegals have been here for years, own property, pay property taxes, send their kids to school (that they're paying for through their taxes) and generally live here quietly just like everyone else.

Many have kids that were born here and are, by definition, US citizens.

We covered this same subject a week or two ago but you apparently failed to learn from the discussion. Comprehension and retention, therefore, are not your strong suits. :lol:
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Cityskier wrote:"Why has illegal immigration overtaken the quagmire of the Iraq war, $3 gas prices, domestic wiretaps, al Quaeda, Osama bin Laden, assorted scandals associated with elected government officials, et al?"
Because the WMD (Weapons of Mass Distraction) are here. It's almost like we have a state-run media that instead of manipulating with lies, it just changes the discussion.
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Cityskier wrote:Am I the only one losing my mind with the question "Why has illegal immigration overtaken the quagmire of the Iraq war, $3 gas prices, domestic wiretaps, al Quaeda, Osama bin Laden, assorted scandals associated with elected government officials, et al?"

Did we get too many dishwashers, apple pickers, and landscapers in the last two months and some alarm went off?

Well, I think that the alarm was presidential approval ratings in the low 30's. Are we so sad and pathetic that we permit this distraction to take place?

If we were serious about immigration reform we would start with the corporations that benefit from their cheap labor AND benefit from Bush's tax breaks while the country's worker bees struggle to fill their gas tanks.

Call me crazy...I know you will...but it seems pretty freakin obvious.
I agree...it's odd. The case you lay is the one I'd also suspect though
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I note that many people often over look that illegal immigrants pay sales tax. Also, they pay additional tax when they fill up their gas tanks. The pay the toll to go thru the Baltimore Harbor tunnel (and every other toll that they happen to drive through. I am sure there are more examples. True, they do not pay income tax... BECAUSE WE WON'T LET THEM.

How do you buy property and pay tax without a SSN?
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yeti wrote:I note that many people often over look that illegal immigrants pay sales tax. Also, they pay additional tax when they fill up their gas tanks. The pay the toll to go thru the Baltimore Harbor tunnel (and every other toll that they happen to drive through. I am sure there are more examples. True, they do not pay income tax... BECAUSE WE WON'T LET THEM.

How do you buy property and pay tax without a SSN?
But you fail to note that it is a crime to enter this country ILLEGALLY. They do get SSN's and pay SS Tax which they do not collect. BUT, to currentlly admit that, they will then be charged with a FELONY for falsifying Federal Documents. Why? Because they are ILLEGAL !
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Dr. NO wrote:
yeti wrote:I note that many people often over look that illegal immigrants pay sales tax. Also, they pay additional tax when they fill up their gas tanks. The pay the toll to go thru the Baltimore Harbor tunnel (and every other toll that they happen to drive through. I am sure there are more examples. True, they do not pay income tax... BECAUSE WE WON'T LET THEM.

How do you buy property and pay tax without a SSN?
But you fail to note that it is a crime to enter this country ILLEGALLY. They do get SSN's and pay SS Tax which they do not collect. BUT, to currentlly admit that, they will then be charged with a FELONY for falsifying Federal Documents. Why? Because they are ILLEGAL !

Yes we know it's illegal. We know it's a felony. Bringing that up all the time doesn't add a whole lot to the debate at this point. To paraphrase an old saying "Never make a law that won't be obeyed or that you won't or can't enforce". We've tolerated illegal immigration for so long that the law isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Actually heard someone suggest that you'll never get the Social Security Administration to go after illegals that use invalid SS#s because they don't want to see that revenue stream dry up.
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I gather Dr. NO wants to try the highly practical solution of rounding up 11-12 million people, some of whom are citizen children of illegal alien parents, putting them through an already overburdened court system, then deporting them all. Doc, planning on shipping them in railroad cars?
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I have driven a car drunk. That makes me more of a criminal than someone picking apples.
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Bubba wrote:I gather Dr. NO wants to try the highly practical solution of rounding up 11-12 million people, some of whom are citizen children of illegal alien parents, putting them through an already overburdened court system, then deporting them all. Doc, planning on shipping them in railroad cars?
The Millions of Illegals is a problem. BUT, if SS numbers are traced and not properly qualified, gone. IF, they have no work documents, GONE. Can't get them all at once, but sooner or later they are gone.

Oh, god forbid we should ship out BORN IN USA kids of ILLEGALS. OK, we take the kid, you go home. Cost is a wash either way so why not. You want the kid? take it with you. I just cannot comprehend the thinking of people that accept "ILLEGALS" as yes you can stay even though you crossed our boarder ILLEGALLY, and YES you purchased under false pretense and signed ILLEGAL papers to FORGE documents under the FEDERAL govenment.

Check out rules of OTHER countries. They don't discuss this, they just lock you up or ship you out.
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Dr. NO wrote:
Bubba wrote:I gather Dr. NO wants to try the highly practical solution of rounding up 11-12 million people, some of whom are citizen children of illegal alien parents, putting them through an already overburdened court system, then deporting them all. Doc, planning on shipping them in railroad cars?
The Millions of Illegals is a problem. BUT, if SS numbers are traced and not properly qualified, gone. IF, they have no work documents, GONE. Can't get them all at once, but sooner or later they are gone.

Oh, god forbid we should ship out BORN IN USA kids of ILLEGALS. OK, we take the kid, you go home. Cost is a wash either way so why not. You want the kid? take it with you. I just cannot comprehend the thinking of people that accept "ILLEGALS" as yes you can stay even though you crossed our boarder ILLEGALLY, and YES you purchased under false pretense and signed ILLEGAL papers to FORGE documents under the FEDERAL govenment.

Check out rules of OTHER countries. They don't discuss this, they just lock you up or ship you out.
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