andyzee wrote: However with what I see happening in corporations lately I think it may be time to start fighting back and saying no more to give backs, layoff, long hours, etc…. I mean there was a time where health benefits were nice and simple and didn’t cost the worker money, this has changed. There was a time where you didn’t have to worry about pensions, this has changed. More and more the worker is being asked to cutback and contribute, perhaps it is time to say no. Botto line, the rich get richer. That’s my 2 cents worth of liberal rant.
My husband and I were discussing this over breakfast. He would agree with you, and to some extent so do I.
I would like to see some changes in the way companies treat people too. But I'm not sure that endangering the health and safety of a city full of people is the way to go about it.
There must be deep societal changes that have to occur. Nothing shy of cultural earthquakes. People have to work diligently for change, and they have to be the basis of it. Perhaps easing up on the consumerism and start saving more money is the start. And yes, I realize this is coming from "she who owns 2 pairs of skis and a helmet-cam." But sh*t, even *I* am capable of returning to more basic values, I think.
Sprite
How many of you out there work for company that gives an 8% raise? Im not talking through a promotion to a new position but a flat out 8% across the board regardless of performance.
KnuckleDragger wrote:How many of you out there work for company that gives an 8% raise? Im not talking through a promotion to a new position but a flat out 8% across the board regardless of performance.
KnuckleDragger wrote:How many of you out there work for company that gives an 8% raise? Im not talking through a promotion to a new position but a flat out 8% across the board regardless of performance.
We had a 4% ACTB last year at UVM. Even with merit I didn't get 8%, and I got a better raise than most of the people in my department. Plus, they keep raising my healthcare premiums, co-pays and Rx deductibles, and I have to pay to park on campus, which they were also kind enough to raise considerably.
Two sniffs, a snort, a fly, a turn and a grunt; and it was so simple like the jitterbug it plumb evaded me.
What about going down the stairs last night? They didn't have you queuing up any more?
i think the queing up was for people having to buy tickets. i went after 8:00pm to avoid the crowds. it was just generally unorganized. they might have wised up today.
I noticed at the Main entrance on 34th and 7th, they had signs for people with tickets to go directly to the platform at a differnet entrance. if you got down there, you could buy tickets from the vending machines at the lower level too.
I guess if they haven;t punched your ticket, you could reuse them?
they seem to be promoting the idea that you should by "round trip" tickets this morning which is basically just 2 tickets and nothing special. the tickets look identical with no date or anything.
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I think the unions should be in charge of setting up the pension/retirement plans and health care plans for the union workers. Companies can contribute a fixed amount per employee to the the union health care plan and a fixed percentage of each workers salary/wages to the retirement plan. Then the union can either go find a health plan that they can afford or ask the workers to contribute to get a better plan. It would also be the union's responsibility to make sure the workers continue to receive their pay checks after they are no longer working.
KnuckleDragger wrote:How many of you out there work for company that gives an 8% raise? Im not talking through a promotion to a new position but a flat out 8% across the board regardless of performance.
Not me. Nor would the TWU. Raise was 8% over the 3 year life of the contract.
What is not possible is not to choose. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
snowsprite wrote:I understand this, but lot of people work sh*t jobs and crappy hours for years & years and don't get a lot of pension bennies handed to them. Not saying they should not get anything, just that sometimes entitlement is in the mind of the entitlee and not based in reality or even common sense.
I guess I mean, is it abusive to ask an employee to start contributing to their retirement more or to their medical plan? At a point, yes. But I'm not sure that's the case in this situation.
We live in tough times financially, and they will get tougher IMO.
Sprite
The problem is the people of new york are taking this personally, its not about them.
Like myself, You probably have the advantage of working at your job, gaining experience and getting a job at a different company at a higher level and compensation, if you have worked in the subway for ten years dishing out tokens, what you have is what you got, and once you lose it you will never get it back. You cant go out and get a job as senior token disher outer at another company. Its not necessarily losing this battle, for the union, its the next battle. Management will continuously try to take stuff away from the union at every contract negotiation, so as union you need to stand firm.
For the record I am anti-union, (at least labor unions)
tekweezle wrote:i think the queing up was for people having to buy tickets. i went after 8:00pm to avoid the crowds. it was just generally unorganized. they might have wised up today.
I had to "assemble" at the overpass area between 2 penn and the garden along with a thousand others to get to the Babylon branch.
I noticed at the Main entrance on 34th and 7th, they had signs for people with tickets to go directly to the platform at a differnet entrance. if you got down there, you could buy tickets from the vending machines at the lower level too.
yeah the "different entrance" was what I described above.
snowsprite wrote:My husband and I were discussing this over breakfast. He would agree with you, and to some extent so do I.
I would like to see some changes in the way companies treat people too. But I'm not sure that endangering the health and safety of a city full of people is the way to go about it.
I'm sure that endangering the health and safety of a city is not the unions intent. The thing is, what choice do they have,except whatever the MTA and the city throw at them and move on. Once accepted, I'm can almost guarentee that what ever they loose is gone and they will never see it again.
snowsprite wrote:
There must be deep societal changes that have to occur. Nothing shy of cultural earthquakes. People have to work diligently for change, and they have to be the basis of it. Perhaps easing up on the consumerism and start saving more money is the start. And yes, I realize this is coming from "she who owns 2 pairs of skis and a helmet-cam." But sh*t, even *I* am capable of returning to more basic values, I think.
Sprite
This may get to the point where it belongs in the Political forum if it hasn't already. Bottom line, you can not depend on common sense and the goodness of corporations to take care of you. I believe it is time for corporations and government to start looking to areas other then peoples pockets to resolve issues.
andyzee wrote:
I'm sure that endangering the health and safety of a city is not the unions intent. The thing is, what choice do they have,except whatever the MTA and the city throw at them and move on.
In the interest of accuracy - the city has nothing to do with it. MTA is a state agency that reports to the governor. Bloomberg can offer anything, nor can he fire anyway.
What is not possible is not to choose. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
I had to "assemble" at the overpass area between 2 penn and the garden along with a thousand others to get to the Babylon branch.
that must have sucked big time. the train was not crowded really going to Port Washington but perhaps that was because it was after the rushhour. this morning, i was standing but we blew past woodside and alot of people standing on the platform so the ride was short. We passed a train with empty seats! I guess the Babylon branch is much more heavily trafficked.
goodluck on the commute home!
i just found out a $@#$@#$ livery cab driver charged my GF 15$ to go to midtown from UES. she was smart, she told him that's all the money she had. plus he charged the 3 other people 20$ each. somebody is making out on this.
andyzee wrote:
I'm sure that endangering the health and safety of a city is not the unions intent. The thing is, what choice do they have,except whatever the MTA and the city throw at them and move on.
In the interest of accuracy - the city has nothing to do with it. MTA is a state agency that reports to the governor. Bloomberg can offer anything, nor can he fire anyway.
Well, that's not entirely accurate. The city has joined in some legal proceedings with the state, but it's true that he's unable to fire anybody or factor in the negotiations directly.
Two sniffs, a snort, a fly, a turn and a grunt; and it was so simple like the jitterbug it plumb evaded me.
