Ax the r*in filter?

[Bling Skier]

R A I N R A I N F the filter.

I now need to hold on to my property until Killington becomes a four-season golf resort. Killington is no longer a fun ski-getaway. My freaking lawn is green. Lawns in Rutland are downright mowable. Something is really wrong with this picture.

I have two staunch republican friends who have both seen Al Gore's An Inconvienient Truth. And both have been convinced that he's got a point. So all you Repubs that think us Dems are just radical whackos - Wake the F up. I'd recommend it to anyone. The movie presents compelling evidence that points to more than a blip in the cycle.

Since I can't be shot in the nuts.... To HELL WITH THIS NON WINTER. I'm READY FOR GOLF. Bring it on.

time to do some homework chickie-poo.
the Sun is the BRIGHTEST it has been in the past 1,000 years(Thats a Thousand) polar ice caps on Mars are also melting...now Did aAl Gore forget to enlighte you to that fact?
The SUN causes global warming......

"Don't beleave the Hipe"!

[SnowyMorning]

R A I N R A I N F the filter.

I now need to hold on to my property until Killington becomes a four-season golf resort. Killington is no longer a fun ski-getaway. My freaking lawn is green. Lawns in Rutland are downright mowable. Something is really wrong with this picture.

I have two staunch republican friends who have both seen Al Gore's An Inconvienient Truth. And both have been convinced that he's got a point. So all you Repubs that think us Dems are just radical whackos - Wake the F up. I'd recommend it to anyone. The movie presents compelling evidence that points to more than a blip in the cycle.

Since I can't be shot in the nuts.... To HELL WITH THIS NON WINTER. I'm READY FOR GOLF. Bring it on.

time to do some homework chickie-poo.
the Sun is the BRIGHTEST it has been in the past 1,000 years(Thats a Thousand) polar ice caps on Mars are also melting...now Did aAl Gore forget to enlighte you to that fact?
The SUN causes global warming......

"Don't beleave the Hipe"!

See the movie, take it with a grain of salt. The evidence is compelling. Review the science. Even if the sun is hotter, then the greenhouse gases are trapping more of its rays. Duh. We are having an impact on the planet. This impact is bringing both dramatic drought and dramatic precicpitation. Why do you think the polar bears are drowning or that a piece of ice 11,000 footballs fields big broke off the polar ice cap. Keep your head in the sand if you want. Besides you probably won't be around to see the potential devestation. But if you have any kids -- they will, if you care you'd not be so cavalier.

"As Gore convincingly shows, the trend lines are ominous. In the 650,000 years before the advent of industrialization, carbon dioxide levels in Earth's atmosphere never topped 300 parts per million. In 1958, an observatory recorded levels of about 310 parts per million; by 2005, that was up to 380. Within 45 years, carbon dioxide levels are projected to hit 600. These trends fit inside graphs of global temperature like a hand inside a glove," from http://www.climatecrisiscoalition.org/W ... 28-06.html

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[Bling Skier]

ahhh the polar bear defence...not buying it....
neither should you oh mighty cool aid drinker!
there are more polar bears roaming the tundra tha there were 100 years ago. about 8,000 were around waaaaaaaay back then..... guess how many ther are in this year we call 2007?
come on take a WILD guess.. i'll wat for your reply while I warm up my V-8.....tick-tock-tick-tock....

[Dr. NO]

ahhh the polar bear defence...not buying it....
neither should you oh mighty cool aid drinker!
there are more polar bears roaming the tundra tha there were 100 years ago. about 8,000 were around waaaaaaaay back then..... guess how many ther are in this year we call 2007?
come on take a WILD guess.. i'll wat for your reply while I warm up my V-8.....tick-tock-tick-tock....

Polar Bear Defense does not work either. Candadian group that monitors polar bears stated that the population is alive and doing quite well. They number some 20,000 more than they did in the 70's. At least I think that is the number they quoted. Population is not shrinking, but growing, at least in Canada.

[XtremeJibber2001]

See the movie, take it with a grain of salt. The evidence is compelling. Review the science. Even if the sun is hotter, then the greenhouse gases are trapping more of its rays. Duh. We are having an impact on the planet.

You're right, we are having an impact on the plant, but please provide a link that directly correlates our existence with the warming we've seen with little to no reservations.

This impact is bringing both dramatic drought and dramatic precipitation. Why do you think the polar bears are drowning or that a piece of ice 11,000 footballs fields big broke off the polar ice cap. Keep your head in the sand if you want. Besides you probably won't be around to see the potential devastation. But if you have any kids -- they will, if you care you'd not be so cavalier.

I agree that the Global Warming issue is bringing a lot of intense and extreme weather events for both of our coasts, not to mention the polar ice caps and the effects on glaciers globally. However, please provide a link that directly links our existence to these "catastrophes".

"As Gore convincingly shows, the trend lines are ominous. In the 650,000 years before the advent of industrialization, carbon dioxide levels in Earth's atmosphere never topped 300 parts per million. In 1958, an observatory recorded levels of about 310 parts per million; by 2005, that was up to 380. Within 45 years, carbon dioxide levels are projected to hit 600. These trends fit inside graphs of global temperature like a hand inside a glove," from http://www.climatecrisiscoalition.org/W ... 28-06.html

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming. He has significant benefit in proving that we are the direct cause of Global Warming. I'm all for looking at the science, but I'm not searching out politicians to be the authority on Global Warming.

OK, you (and Gore) finally have a point. While the point is being generated by an "educated guess"; nonetheless, it's better then hearing about Manhattan being underwater in 45 years.

Carbon Dioxide levels have risen (approximately) 26% since 1958 (49 Years). How did Gore and company conclude that we will see nearly a 100% rise in Carbon Dioxide levels over the same amount of years (49) that we only saw a 26% rise? Furthermore, where is the data that directly links this increase in Carbon Dioxide to Global Warming? Lastly, what amount of this increase is reversible by man?

This is a great graph, but without a correlation between what it shows and Global Warming, it merely shows an increase in Carbon Dioxide. I say "so what", what does this mean to me? Did we directly cause this increase? What (if anything) can we do to change this increase? And is this the main direct cause of Global Warming, if so, do you have a link showing this?[/quote]

I don't believe Global Warming is a liberal/democrat/'call it what you will' "conspiracy". However, I'm not going to watch some movie and take it as "the end all, be all" like some have.

I've asked many questions and I'm curious if one of the "We're causing Global Warming and if we're not fcuked, then our kids are if we don't start doing something about it" can provide some clear-cut data directly correlating our existence (with no reservations) to Global Warming.

If politicians/scientists want me and other skeptics to favor legislation to control Global Warming ... you need to show us the data that's inconclusive, not some politically motivated movie.

Until I read conclusive data, I remain a skeptic of the role we directly play in Global Warming.

[JerseyGuy]

See the movie, take it with a grain of salt. The evidence is compelling. Review the science. Even if the sun is hotter, then the greenhouse gases are trapping more of its rays. Duh. We are having an impact on the planet.

You're right, we are having an impact on the plant, but please provide a link that directly correlates our existence with the warming we've seen with little to no reservations.

This impact is bringing both dramatic drought and dramatic precipitation. Why do you think the polar bears are drowning or that a piece of ice 11,000 footballs fields big broke off the polar ice cap. Keep your head in the sand if you want. Besides you probably won't be around to see the potential devastation. But if you have any kids -- they will, if you care you'd not be so cavalier.

I agree that the Global Warming issue is bringing a lot of intense and extreme weather events for both of our coasts, not to mention the polar ice caps and the effects on glaciers globally. However, please provide a link that directly links our existence to these "catastrophes".

"As Gore convincingly shows, the trend lines are ominous. In the 650,000 years before the advent of industrialization, carbon dioxide levels in Earth's atmosphere never topped 300 parts per million. In 1958, an observatory recorded levels of about 310 parts per million; by 2005, that was up to 380. Within 45 years, carbon dioxide levels are projected to hit 600. These trends fit inside graphs of global temperature like a hand inside a glove," from http://www.climatecrisiscoalition.org/W ... 28-06.html

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming. He has significant benefit in proving that we are the direct cause of Global Warming. I'm all for looking at the science, but I'm not searching out politicians to be the authority on Global Warming.

OK, you (and Gore) finally have a point. While the point is being generated by an "educated guess"; nonetheless, it's better then hearing about Manhattan being underwater in 45 years.

Carbon Dioxide levels have risen (approximately) 26% since 1958 (49 Years). How did Gore and company conclude that we will see nearly a 100% rise in Carbon Dioxide levels over the same amount of years (49) that we only saw a 26% rise? Furthermore, where is the data that directly links this increase in Carbon Dioxide to Global Warming? Lastly, what amount of this increase is reversible by man?

This is a great graph, but without a correlation between what it shows and Global Warming, it merely shows an increase in Carbon Dioxide. I say "so what", what does this mean to me? Did we directly cause this increase? What (if anything) can we do to change this increase? And is this the main direct cause of Global Warming, if so, do you have a link showing this?

I don't believe Global Warming is a liberal/democrat/'call it what you will' "conspiracy". However, I'm not going to watch some movie and take it as "the end all, be all" like some have.

I've asked many questions and I'm curious if one of the "We're causing Global Warming and if we're not fcuked, then our kids are if we don't start doing something about it" can provide some clear-cut data directly correlating our existence (with no reservations) to Global Warming.

If politicians/scientists want me and other skeptics to favor legislation to control Global Warming ... you need to show us the data that's inconclusive, not some politically motivated movie.

Until I read inconclusive data, I remain a skeptic of the role we directly play in Global Warming.[/quote]

Talk about a Freudian slip. I think JibJab's last line inadvertently says it all.

[XtremeJibber2001]

Until I read inconclusive data, I remain a skeptic of the role we directly play in Global Warming.

Talk about a Freudian slip. I think JibJab's last line inadvertently says it all.

Talk about a typo

[KBL Ed]

Yes, ax. People should know well enough to use "NCP" anyway.

[RedRider]

AXE it now!
Let's see what happens............

[KBL Ed]

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming.

Um, actually he is an authority. You can disagree with his political stances if you'd like. But, he's been studying the envirornment for decades.

the Sun is the BRIGHTEST it has been in the past 1,000 years(Thats a Thousand) polar ice caps on Mars are also melting...now Did aAl Gore forget to enlighte you to that fact?
The SUN causes global warming......

No offense, B5, but this sounds like science that the National Enquirer would publish!

[Skibumtress]

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming.

Um, actually he is an authority. You can disagree with his political stances if you'd like. But, he's been studying the envirornment for decades.

This is true.
"Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit" is a very interesting read.

[Bubba]

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming.

Um, actually he is an authority. You can disagree with his political stances if you'd like. But, he's been studying the envirornment for decades.

Actually, he hasn't. He began his serious interest in environmental issues after the death of his son in a car accident (I believe) as a way to search for meaning in his son's loss. (Source: Gore's book Earth in the Balance.) His knowledge of the subject is based on fact but his interpretation of the facts tends to be extreme and is tied up with his emotional attachment to the subject matter as an outgrowth of his son's death. Earth in the Balance is environmentalism as religion and Gore's conclusions then and now tend to the apocalyptic much as religious extremists also hold apocalyptic visions of the future (Pat Robertson, for example). His views are absolutist, leaving little room for debate and he often simply closes the door to discussion by saying there's no longer any need for discussion, that the debate over the facts is over.

Playing amateur psychologist, I'd say that Gore cannot acknowledge doubt about global warming because it's so integrally tied into the deeper questions he must have about the death of his son. He'd somehow be "failing his son" if he did.

[XtremeJibber2001]

This is frightening. You're citing Al Gore as an authority on Global Warming.

Um, actually he is an authority.

I disagree ... the definition of the word authority:

an expert whose views are taken as definitive

Gore has a bachelor of Arts in Government, hardly an expert or an authority on anything scientific.

Perhaps you intended to say Gore is an advocate:

a person who pleads for a cause or propounds an idea

[rogman]

From: Union of Concerned Scientists WWW site (http://www.ucsusa.org):
A new report by UCS uncovers how ExxonMobil has adopted tobacco-industry tactics to spread disinformation on global warming science. By funneling millions of dollars to groups that support a handful of climate change contrarians, ExxonMobil has succeeded in confusing the public about our scientific understanding of global warming (and delaying action needed to slow the trend).

Is it really necessary to connect the dots?

[Bubba]

From: Union of Concerned Scientists WWW site (http://www.ucsusa.org):
A new report by UCS uncovers how ExxonMobil has adopted tobacco-industry tactics to spread disinformation on global warming science. By funneling millions of dollars to groups that support a handful of climate change contrarians, ExxonMobil has succeeded in confusing the public about our scientific understanding of global warming (and delaying action needed to slow the trend).

Is it really necessary to connect the dots?

Yes, it's necessary to connect the dots. UCS also acknowledges that ExxonMobil funds what even UCS acknowledges are legitimate groups that hold similar positions. And, if you look at the breakdown of where ExxonMobil's money is going, a far higher percentage goes to these groups as opposed to groups they allegedly set up or which simply hold "contrarian views" in the words of UCS's press release. In addition, $16 million is a drop in the bucket over the time period involved. How much money has UCS spent? How about all the PIRGs around the country? How much did this one UCS study alone cost?

And, just to add non-fossil fuel to the fire, UCS also opposes nuclear power plants, the one clear solution to global climate change, at least as far as electricity generation is a contributor.