You be the judge

Post by **SkiDork** » Feb 25th, '08, 09:53

Can you give me an opinion here? Just looking for some input on Icemans comp on Saturday.

1st and 2nd runs of the 3 top M5's from Saturday at Whaleback.

Where would you place them? Please be unbiased as possible, and state any reasons for where you
placed them.

oh - the way it works, its just your best run out of the 2 that places you. And lower time gives
you a better score. Thats why I included the times.

Thanks, Dork

(sorry - didn't have time to edit anything, just raw footage. Please ignore the stupid comments
from the kids, and my singing)

Iceman 1st run time: 24.70
Iceman 2nd run time: 24.21
Emerson 1st run time: 21.45
Emerson 2nd run time: 22.16
Dylan 1st run time: 25.12
Dylan 2nd run time: 23.68

Dr. NO · Post by **Dr. NO** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:04

OK, Emerson was tops all the way. Great lines on top and bottom, in control with excellent jumps and landings. Only bad part was after 1st jump he made big speed check.

Iceman #2. Good air and form, bad landing on 360 in my opinion (like aholes). Needs to be a bit more calm at the start to the 1st jump, then he pulls it together.

If Dylan beat either of them, shame on the judges. His form and line on top sucked. Good jumps but look at his arms and form in the air, incomplete. He did good, but the other two did better in my opinion. Note Dylan's arms and hand positions approaching the 1st jump in both runs. Looks like me going after a gate and trying to fly away.

edit: Of course we have the advantage of replay on the video. judges have the one shot to see the run.

skifaster · Post by **skifaster** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:08

Did your son have fun in the comp???

Post by **SkiDork** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:12

skifaster wrote:Did your son have fun in the comp???

Good question - didn't really ask him. Why do you ask?

ozzy · Post by **ozzy** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:15

Dork i like you. I like you a lot, I would say that I almost have a man crush on you but lets not go there yet. Here's my monday morning armchair quarterback critique

Emmerson second run was the best run I saw that you posted. not to many bobbles, skied clead nice airs (albeit the first wasn't technical) but good strong skiing all around.
Seems like iceman got bucked a bit and missed his line. that 3 needs some cleaning as well
That Dylan kid looks good too. very technical

PM me the results if you dont want to post them here.

Thanks for posting that, now what the hell was I supposted to be doing...

danny p · Post by **danny p** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:16

this is coming from a snowboarder, so my analysis is a little skewed, but:

agree with almost all dr. no's analysis:

emerson - his speed/control seems to make him standout, i don't like his 360s and that one speed check totally stuck out and took points away on my scorecard.

iceman - seemed like good form and flow through the bumps (consistent), I like how I didn't see him winding up for the 360 like usual. Winding up = not as much style, so I think his 3's looked better, bad landing on the second one like dr. no said.

dylan - slow the first run, out of control flailing on the second, but imo the best 360 thrown by him in his first run. Both times he has a slight wind up before, but in his first run I think his form in the air for the 3 looks good.

Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:18

Congratulations to Iceman on the great season he's having. Sometime the judges F up. It's part of life, that sometimes you don't get the rewards you deserve. Maybe you should focus on this and try to keep your kid humble instead of dwelling on it. As long as he gave it all he should be proud.

ozzy · Post by **ozzy** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:21

^^
besides he's going to qualify for easterns. isn't that this season's goal?

Post by **SkiDork** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:28

Agreed all around. Its definitely good for him to have something to shoot for, instead of always being on top.

I'm actually looking for any suggestions on areas he needs to work on, rather than commiserating about whether he got screwed or not. He ended up getting 3rd behind Emerson 1st and Dylan 2nd. I think his airs hurt him the most.

Here is the result sheet:

http://services.easternfreestyle.org/re ... /32_M.html

If you have any more tips, feel free.

Regionals are in 2 weeks and Easterns are on 3/15. He's gonna have these 2 to contend with at Easterns, prolly not much of a shot to unseat Emerson but if he can clean things up he might be able to take a silver.

Thanks

skifaster · Post by **skifaster** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:29

I ask, and I am not being a PITA, but at his age and all, fun is all that matters. I have seen way to many over anxious and result driven parents in the racing scene burn their kids out and create a disaster. I am not saying you are one of this type, you are involved with your kids and its the best you can do for them in a great sport, and I commend you on that!
I just hope fun is the major motivating factor and winning is icing on the cake when it does happen. When its fun, the results come, believe me.
Posting contest footage to see what we have to say to either agree or clarify for yourself on the official results seems ridiculous to me. I do enjoy seeing icemans runs when you post them, sign of a proud dad! But not when you put em up against others for us to judge against the official results.
It's all about fun and doing his best as he progresses. As it becomes more serious then its time for result driven skiing.

Post by **SkiDork** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:36

skifaster wrote:I ask, and I am not being a PITA, but at his age and all, fun is all that matters. I have seen way to many over anxious and result driven parents in the racing scene burn their kids out and create a disaster. I am not saying you are one of this type, you are involved with your kids and its the best you can do for them in a great sport, and I commend you on that!
I just hope fun is the major motivating factor and winning is icing on the cake when it does happen. When its fun, the results come, believe me.
Posting contest footage to see what we have to say to either agree or clarify for yourself on the official results seems ridiculous to me. I do enjoy seeing icemans runs when you post them, sign of a proud dad! But not when you put em up against others for us to judge against the official results.
It's all about fun and doing his best as he progresses. As it becomes more serious then its time for result driven skiing.

see my post above about looking more for tips on how to improve, etc. Should have prolly stressed that in the original post...

Actually in terms of having fun - he's really getting hooked in with all the other competitors that he sees every week, and enjoys goin out to the park with them in between runs etc. (especially at Whaleback - what a great place). Even after the awards ceremony, he raced right back out to the park to get some more rail time in. So yeah - I think the comraderie for him is very cool.

skifaster · Post by **skifaster** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:39

SkiDork wrote:
skifaster wrote:I ask, and I am not being a PITA, but at his age and all, fun is all that matters. I have seen way to many over anxious and result driven parents in the racing scene burn their kids out and create a disaster. I am not saying you are one of this type, you are involved with your kids and its the best you can do for them in a great sport, and I commend you on that!
I just hope fun is the major motivating factor and winning is icing on the cake when it does happen. When its fun, the results come, believe me.
Posting contest footage to see what we have to say to either agree or clarify for yourself on the official results seems ridiculous to me. I do enjoy seeing icemans runs when you post them, sign of a proud dad! But not when you put em up against others for us to judge against the official results.
It's all about fun and doing his best as he progresses. As it becomes more serious then its time for result driven skiing.
see my post above about looking more for tips on how to improve, etc. Should have prolly stressed that in the original post...

Actually in terms of having fun - he's really getting hooked in with all the other competitors that he sees every week, and enjoys goin out to the park with them in between runs etc. (especially at Whaleback - what a great place). Even after the awards ceremony, he raced right back out to the park to get some more rail time in. So yeah - I think the comraderie for him is very cool.

Thats great! Its all I was asking. I am sure with fun being the motivating factor and his hot skiing he will have a successful junior career.Glad your involved and in support, wish more parents were the same.

CAPBOY · Post by **CAPBOY** » Feb 25th, '08, 10:52

SkiDork wrote:
skifaster wrote:I ask, and I am not being a PITA, but at his age and all, fun is all that matters. I have seen way to many over anxious and result driven parents in the racing scene burn their kids out and create a disaster. I am not saying you are one of this type, you are involved with your kids and its the best you can do for them in a great sport, and I commend you on that!
I just hope fun is the major motivating factor and winning is icing on the cake when it does happen. When its fun, the results come, believe me.
Posting contest footage to see what we have to say to either agree or clarify for yourself on the official results seems ridiculous to me. I do enjoy seeing icemans runs when you post them, sign of a proud dad! But not when you put em up against others for us to judge against the official results.
It's all about fun and doing his best as he progresses. As it becomes more serious then its time for result driven skiing.
see my post above about looking more for tips on how to improve, etc. Should have prolly stressed that in the original post...

Actually in terms of having fun - he's really getting hooked in with all the other competitors that he sees every week, and enjoys goin out to the park with them in between runs etc. (especially at Whaleback - what a great place). Even after the awards ceremony, he raced right back out to the park to get some more rail time in. So yeah - I think the comraderie for him is very cool.

I think you are missing the point in that YOU are geting very competitive, which is something I picked up from our conversation yesterday. But who am I to judge. As for Ice, it should be about learniing and having fun.

What I see is exactly what we talked about yesterday. Whoever told you what they saw was right and what I told you to do about it is what I would do. Otherwise, more focus on keeping the upper body still.

Bling Skier · Post by **Bling Skier** » Feb 25th, '08, 11:01

SkiDork wrote:Can you give me an opinion here? Just looking for some input on Icemans comp on Saturday.

1st and 2nd runs of the 3 top M5's from Saturday at Whaleback.

Where would you place them? Please be unbiased as possible, and state any reasons for where you
placed them.

oh - the way it works, its just your best run out of the 2 that places you. And lower time gives
you a better score. Thats why I included the times.

Thanks, Dork

(sorry - didn't have time to edit anything, just raw footage. Please ignore the stupid comments
from the kids, and my singing)

Iceman 1st run time: 24.70
Iceman 2nd run time: 24.21
Emerson 1st run time: 21.45
Emerson 2nd run time: 22.16
Dylan 1st run time: 25.12
Dylan 2nd run time: 23.68

"Can you give me an opinion here? Just looking for some input on Icemans comp on Saturday"

cut off his left arm, he does'nt use it any way.
and he comes into the bumps sideways , but does not finish by pushing his tips down into the next turn.
thats why it looks like he is getting bucked around.
and i am not sure if they use the same judges at every comp, if so he has to change up his run.
besides that the guy still rocks.

Post by **SkiDork** » Feb 25th, '08, 11:04

CAPBOY wrote:
SkiDork wrote:
skifaster wrote:I ask, and I am not being a PITA, but at his age and all, fun is all that matters. I have seen way to many over anxious and result driven parents in the racing scene burn their kids out and create a disaster. I am not saying you are one of this type, you are involved with your kids and its the best you can do for them in a great sport, and I commend you on that!
I just hope fun is the major motivating factor and winning is icing on the cake when it does happen. When its fun, the results come, believe me.
Posting contest footage to see what we have to say to either agree or clarify for yourself on the official results seems ridiculous to me. I do enjoy seeing icemans runs when you post them, sign of a proud dad! But not when you put em up against others for us to judge against the official results.
It's all about fun and doing his best as he progresses. As it becomes more serious then its time for result driven skiing.
see my post above about looking more for tips on how to improve, etc. Should have prolly stressed that in the original post...

Actually in terms of having fun - he's really getting hooked in with all the other competitors that he sees every week, and enjoys goin out to the park with them in between runs etc. (especially at Whaleback - what a great place). Even after the awards ceremony, he raced right back out to the park to get some more rail time in. So yeah - I think the comraderie for him is very cool.
I think you are missing the point in that YOU are geting very competitive, which is something I picked up from our conversation yesterday. But who am I to judge. As for Ice, it should be about learniing and having fun.

What I see is exactly what we talked about yesterday. Whoever told you what they saw was right and what I told you to do about it is what I would do. Otherwise, more focus on keeping the upper body still.

Up yours! (jk)

You're talking about the WC turns? Yeah, thats something the coach has been working with him on.

Can you repeat the suggestions you gave yesterday? I must have filed them in the dead letter box or something...

They actually built a kicker on OL yesterday, since there was nothing left on Conclusion. Apparently the coach got permission to build it from someone in K mgmt but had to tear it down at 12:30. Hopefuly Ice got some practice with making his landings smoother...

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