BYOB crackdown at BMMC

[Bubba]

...So you're graciously offering to ask the admins to break their own policies and publicly reveal my IP address to you so that you can try to track me down and figure out who I am?....

Although we won't do that, we could have sooooo much fun if we made this a regular practice.

[JerseyGuy]

...So you're graciously offering to ask the admins to break their own policies and publicly reveal my IP address to you so that you can try to track me down and figure out who I am?....

Although we won't do that, we could have sooooo much fun if we made this a regular practice.

I dunno... between that and all of the inevitable aliases, I don't think I'd want to know that only eight different people actually post here on a regular basis!

Besides, we'd all find out that "Skiingsnow" is really a retired, bored-out-of-his-mind Pres Smith, having a grand old time pulling all of our chains -- actually, that'd be pretty damn funny...

[shortski]

Besides, we'd all find out that "Skiingsnow" is really a retired, bored-out-of-his-mind Pres Smith, having a grand old time pulling all of our chains -- actually, that'd be pretty damn funny...

Or even better a really pissed off Les Otten because they (old ASC) wouldn't even consider his bid for Sunday River.

Remember the old slogan...Les is more,

[XtremeJibber2001]

...So you're graciously offering to ask the admins to break their own policies and publicly reveal my IP address to you so that you can try to track me down and figure out who I am?....

Although we won't do that, we could have sooooo much fun if we made this a regular practice.

I dunno... between that and all of the inevitable aliases, I don't think I'd want to know that only eight different people actually post here on a regular basis!

Besides, we'd all find out that "Skiingsnow" is really a retired, bored-out-of-his-mind Pres Smith, having a grand old time pulling all of our chains -- actually, that'd be pretty damn funny...

Random ... but your post count is 666, atm. Maybe you're Lucifer

[rockon]

two of my friends compete too...rockon and drunk dave!! it might be a camel pak full of screwdrivers day!!

irish times. standard guiness-filled camel back and a jameson flask taboot: portable car bombs. no problem.

my concerns with the no alcohol policy are two-fold:
(1) people are going to crank up the binge drinking in an attempt to avoid paying kmart prices for alcohol, rather than pace themselves out (realtively speaking) throughout the day. i think that will lead to even more alcohol related inujries/problems than years past. crap! i sound like a high school health teacher.
(2) people slamming beers on the lifts = garbage everywhere. at least if they allow drinking in a confined area, they confine the mess.[/i]

[electricski]

This is what we sent to the Vermont state liquor authority and there response. You will notice nothing in our letter about a tent, make of it what you will, but I am sure that plenty of cops will be on hand this year.




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From:
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 12:31 PM
To: Curran, Tom
Subject: Re: Festival Permit

Hello Tom,

Thank you for getting back to me. I do have some more questions. Please allow me to explain the function for which I seek the permit. We have approximately 25 adults, ages 35-55, who contribute to an all day barbecue somewhat of an end of the season celebration. The food list the past eight years has included lobster, shrimp, clams, burgers, steaks, ribs, hot dogs salads etc. We track who has donated by attaching wrist straps to contributors as the menu is quite expensive. The gathering takes place, as many do, on the snow at during the mogul competition. My staff would consist of contributors who have some cooking skill or anyone who wants to pitch in. This is an adults only function and we section off our little area to deter walk throughs. In the past we have used a portable service area to share beverages. Along with coffee and soda we have beer and alcohol for consumption. As with the cooking various contributors would pitch in to mix different blends through out the day. At the conclusion we clean up, pack up and head home. We have had this barbecue for many years without a hitch. Do you think this sort of function is possible within the guidelines we are discussing? If I attended a seminar, would it cover my group, or would I be the only person allowed to distribute drinks? I was planning on attending a February 19th seminar, I would have to take off from work to do so, do you think it would be fruitful?

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I would like to be in total compliance, if possible, prior to making any plans that are not realistic. I know of many similar groups who participate, on the snow, the very same day and I could share the information. I would hope to avoid a lot of confusion come March 29, 2008. Thank you again for your help.






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From: Curran, Tom [mailto:Tom.Curran@state.vt.us]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:56 PM

Subject: RE: Festival Permit



Hi Scott,



The real issue is we have seen a problem with alcoholic beverages in and around the Bear Mountain which is licensed to sell alcohol. It is a misdemeanor crime in Vermont to sell or give away alcohol on any public lands. It is up to one year in jail and a $1,000.00 fine. On private property ( like at your house) you can do whatever. Also you will need Killington's permission if your tent is going to be on their land. Anyone who attends the class with you can serve alcohol with the festival permit. You would also have to buy your beer from a wholesaler and have invoices on hand to show what you purchased. People also would not be able to bring their own alcohol into your event. There are a lot of issues at play here and we can keep trying to figure this out. I will wait to hear back from you.



Tom

[KV]

From: Curran, Tom [mailto:Tom.Curran@state.vt.us]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:56 PM

Subject: RE: Festival Permit



Hi Scott,



The real issue is we have seen a problem with alcoholic beverages in and around the Bear Mountain which is licensed to sell alcohol. It is a misdemeanor crime in Vermont to sell or give away alcohol on any public lands. It is up to one year in jail and a $1,000.00 fine. On private property ( like at your house) you can do whatever. Also you will need Killington's permission if your tent is going to be on their land. Anyone who attends the class with you can serve alcohol with the festival permit. You would also have to buy your beer from a wholesaler and have invoices on hand to show what you purchased. People also would not be able to bring their own alcohol into your event. There are a lot of issues at play here and we can keep trying to figure this out. I will wait to hear back from you.

Tom

It looks like there was absolutely no mention of it being illegal to Bring Your Own Beer for your own consumption. You BYOB for yourself. Everyone else buys their beer for themselves. You keep the receipts and sell/give away nothing alcoholic. How are we then breaking the law?

[Mister Moose]

It looks like there was absolutely no mention of it being illegal to Bring Your Own Beer for your own consumption. You BYOB for yourself. Everyone else buys their beer for themselves. You keep the receipts and sell/give away nothing alcoholic. How are we then breaking the law?

You aren't.

Alcohol – Alcohol is permitted, however, kegs of beer
or alcoholic beverages in bulk containers (larger than 1
gallon) are prohibited in state parks except when served
by a liquor-licensed caterer. Group members are
welcome to bring their own beverages, but any alcohol
served to other than the person who brought it must be
served by a liquor-licensed individual or caterer. (Title
7 VSA, Sec. 61)

http://www.vtstateparks.com/pdfs/weddings.pdf

[RustyK]

So all this talk sounds like the same as last year.
Scare the sh*t out of everyone, but it is still the same BMMC.
Anything goes except kegs...

[the Disemboweler]

So all this talk sounds like the same as last year.
Scare the sh*t out of everyone, but it is still the same BMMC.
Anything goes except kegs...

ill be looking for u this bmmc rusty now that ur boi big bri is gone dont think i dont think about u when ur pics r posted cutie if u could go chrome dome for bmmc id really appreciate it

[Geoff]

It looks like there was absolutely no mention of it being illegal to Bring Your Own Beer for your own consumption. You BYOB for yourself. Everyone else buys their beer for themselves. You keep the receipts and sell/give away nothing alcoholic. How are we then breaking the law?

You aren't.

Alcohol – Alcohol is permitted, however, kegs of beer
or alcoholic beverages in bulk containers (larger than 1
gallon) are prohibited in state parks except when served
by a liquor-licensed caterer. Group members are
welcome to bring their own beverages, but any alcohol
served to other than the person who brought it must be
served by a liquor-licensed individual or caterer. (Title
7 VSA, Sec. 61)

http://www.vtstateparks.com/pdfs/weddings.pdf

That is a very good find. It also explains the no kegs policy at BMMC.

[reganized]

Looks like I will be bringing my receipt with me to the mtn and not "sharing" any beverages with anyone.

[Geoff]

You jailhouse lawyers can read Vermont liquor law here:

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/cha ... m?Title=07

I already found my loophole for BMMC. Sacramental wine is exempted from regulation. I think I'll be drinking sacramental Stoli dirty martinis.

Did you know they can fine you $1000 for bringing more than 8 quarts of booze in from New Hampshire?

There is one problem I discovered in Chapter 3 Section 61....

"However, this chapter shall not apply to the furnishing of such beverages or spirits by a person in his private dwelling, unless to an habitual drunkard"

There are a number of people I can't invite over to my condo for a cocktail.

[wanderer7453]

For many years one of the rites of spring has been the tailgating festival that occurs during the Bear Mountain Mogul Contest. Many of the ski houses and others set up tents and bring barbecues and their beverages of choice.
This has occurred with law enforcement officials walking through the festival area. Now the new owners are banning any food or beverages brought to the mountain for this event and will only allow purchased food and beverages. I am not questioning their legal right to do this but they are blaming you the Liquor Control Board of Vermont. Has the regulations changed since last year? Did the new owners request you to enforce these regulations ? This is rather important to many people with interest in the Killington area as this may be just another in a long line of frustrating actions taken by this company which is resulting in hurting the tourism industry at Killington.


Dear Terry,

In Vermont, it is only legal to sell alcohol in a private dwelling or at a location licensed to sell alcoholic beverages.

Killington assumes large liabilities if someone consuming slopeside hurts themselves or someone else.

William J. Goggins, Chief
Education, Licensing & Enforcement


Bill,

Thank you for the response although it did not address my specific questions. I will assume that there has been no change in the laws and regulations and that the change in policy is mountain owner related and not something that was coming from a specific directive from your department.



That's pretty much it in a nutshell Terry.

Bill

[HelmetCam]

It looks like there was absolutely no mention of it being illegal to Bring Your Own Beer for your own consumption.

huh?

People also would not be able to bring their own alcohol into your event.

The way that email was written I wouldn't take away any knowledge pertinent to BMMC. It is too confusing and looks cut-and-pasted from a form letter.