K will close on 4/20/08

RedRider · Post by **RedRider** » Apr 6th, '08, 17:37

Skippy, you don't get it. Killington HAD a great reputation, one of
the best in the business. Now their reputation sucks, badly.
They are closing a mountain with tons of snow on it.
And - They are closing it the day before Spring break for NY, NJ and many other states!!
All the businesses will suffer. No one benefits.
Heck the town won't even let them build an outhouse now!

Finn · Post by **Finn** » Apr 6th, '08, 17:38

skiingsnow the 19 year old who thinks he's the voice of Killington.
Closing dates are made to be extended....we have the snow we want to ski...train us to run the lifts we will do it...

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 6th, '08, 17:52

RedRider wrote:Skippy, you don't get it. Killington HAD a great reputation, one of
the best in the business. Now their reputation sucks, badly.
They are closing a mountain with tons of snow on it.
And - They are closing it the day before Spring break for NY, NJ and many other states!!
All the businesses will suffer. No one benefits.
Heck the town won't even let them build an outhouse now!

They had a reputation for being severly overcrowded, skied off in an hour, and not making any upgrades, or even doing maintenence on things falling apart. They had a reputation for not running important lifts, and for overgrooming the mountain.

This is what the reputation has become of the last several years.

How the hell do you know how much snow will be left on the mountain 2 weeks from now?

K is not a charity, they shouldn't stay open, losing money, to help others.

Finn · Post by **Finn** » Apr 6th, '08, 18:09

Skiigsnow you are a total JERK...you don't even know how much snow will be left in your own backyard in Bridgewater VT either....
At least K is higher up than your house.....and unless we get a total monsoon in VT there will be snow left.

Dr. NO · Post by **Dr. NO** » Apr 6th, '08, 18:09

skiingsnow wrote:
RedRider wrote:Skippy, you don't get it. Killington HAD a great reputation, one of
the best in the business. Now their reputation sucks, badly.
They are closing a mountain with tons of snow on it.
And - They are closing it the day before Spring break for NY, NJ and many other states!!
All the businesses will suffer. No one benefits.
Heck the town won't even let them build an outhouse now!
They had a reputation for being severly overcrowded, skied off in an hour, and not making any upgrades, or even doing maintenence on things falling apart. They had a reputation for not running important lifts, and for overgrooming the mountain.

This is what the reputation has become of the last several years.

How the hell do you know how much snow will be left on the mountain 2 weeks from now?

K is not a charity, they shouldn't stay open, losing money, to help others.

Did anyone actually talk, meet this person? I cannot believe a 19 y/o THINKS he knows this much. Great snow on the mountain, thanks to POWDR, but it may be gone tomorrow. On and On. Just stfu, PLEASE! After your inspection training, go back to school and learn something, like business.

RENO · Post by **RENO** » Apr 6th, '08, 18:10

Video of skiingsnow. He's the one in the Red pants ripping it up with his friend HighwayStar at 80 mph...

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Dr. NO · Post by **Dr. NO** » Apr 6th, '08, 18:18

RENO wrote:Video of skiingsnow. He's the one in the Red pants ripping it up with his friend HighwayStar at 80 mph...

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That be FUNNY! Bling baby, you gotta tell em that be funny!

Coydog · Post by **Coydog** » Apr 6th, '08, 20:03

skiingsnow wrote: K is not a charity, they shouldn't stay open, losing money, to help others.

Are you saying if management was clever enough to figure out how to make money by extending this year's shortend season (when compared to all but one previous seasons), they should remain open?

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 6th, '08, 20:20

Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: K is not a charity, they shouldn't stay open, losing money, to help others.
Are you saying if management was clever enough to figure out how to make money by extending this year's shortend season (when compared to all but one previous seasons), they should remain open?

Killington has been closing before the snow melts for several years now. And thats with their great reputation for late season skiing, and them being the only mountain doing it, and they still closed before the snow melted. If they were making money doing it, they woulda kept staying open as late as possible.

This season, they set up all this stuff, and I think they are already straining themselves getting enough help to stay open 1 week longer, with 3 lifts.

Now they know, and they wont have such solid schedules set up, where they cant open stuff sooner or stay open later (which they have still managed to do anyway)

People are nutz if they think 1 lift only needs 3 lifties, and then like 2-3 other people running the whole resort!

With cheap ol' powdr, every lift appears to have 4-5 lifties, and usually a ticket checker. Then you need the mechanic, 1 ski patrol, 2 customer service people, janitor, 2 people to sell snacks/drinks, and idealy a bartender, 2 people selling bbq food on deck.

Thats 15 people minimum. . .

So anyway, yeah, i think the season should run later, To May 1 every year!! Thats what I want. But if they break the May 1 fun slalom now, after so many years, no point in staying open to May after this season... April 20-25, depending when the weekends line up, should be the closing date. . .

chewbacca · Post by **chewbacca** » Apr 6th, '08, 21:25

skingsnow, jus what your mental/emotional prob dude??? from your posts you gotta be the biggest jerk in vt. get a life. get a job get a makeover. Have a little sex with someone other than yourself in a dark room. Your hand must be aching. I can't believe Brad ever had a jerk like you work at his restaurant. Wish this board had an IGNORE tab? GGGeeezzz, What a bunch of bs from a jerk. Go somewhere and get yourself a life,

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 6th, '08, 21:32

chewbacca wrote:skingsnow, jus what your mental/emotional prob dude??? from your posts you gotta be the biggest jerk in vt. get a life. get a job get a makeover. Have a little sex with someone other than yourself in a dark room. Your hand must be aching. I can't believe Brad ever had a jerk like you work at his restaurant. Wish this board had an IGNORE tab? GGGeeezzz, What a bunch of bs from a jerk. Go somewhere and get yourself a life,

There is an ignore button, right next to the quote button.

I am not a jerk. People on here are jerks to me, and I am being a bit jerky back as of late...

Perhaps, I should meet each and every zoner, that likes to call me Skippy, or thinks that I am a jerk, and explain some things, and just chat. I'm a normal ol' kid, and I certainly am not mean spirited... I am very nice to everyone out there, I have no enemys in real life...

Me thinking they shouldn't have a later season, doesn't mean I dont want them to have one. Because I think no byob at bmmc was the right thing, the proper thing, and etc, doesn't mean I liked it, and wanted it to be that way.

Stormchaser · Post by **Stormchaser** » Apr 7th, '08, 08:15

skiingsnow wrote:
chewbacca wrote:skingsnow, jus what your mental/emotional prob dude??? from your posts you gotta be the biggest jerk in vt. get a life. get a job get a makeover. Have a little sex with someone other than yourself in a dark room. Your hand must be aching. I can't believe Brad ever had a jerk like you work at his restaurant. Wish this board had an IGNORE tab? GGGeeezzz, What a bunch of bs from a jerk. Go somewhere and get yourself a life,
There is an ignore button, right next to the quote button.

I am not a jerk. People on here are jerks to me, and I am being a bit jerky back as of late...

Perhaps, I should meet each and every zoner, that likes to call me Skippy, or thinks that I am a jerk, and explain some things, and just chat. I'm a normal ol' kid, and I certainly am not mean spirited... I am very nice to everyone out there, I have no enemys in real life...

Me thinking they shouldn't have a later season, doesn't mean I dont want them to have one. Because I think no byob at bmmc was the right thing, the proper thing, and etc, doesn't mean I liked it, and wanted it to be that way.

Nothing a brick to the head wouldnt cure...

chfriend · Post by **chfriend** » Apr 7th, '08, 09:05

skiingsnow wrote: I am not a jerk.

Do I laugh or wet myself?

Coydog · Post by **Coydog** » Apr 7th, '08, 09:14

skiingsnow wrote: People are nutz if they think 1 lift only needs 3 lifties, and then like 2-3 other people running the whole resort!

With cheap ol' powdr, every lift appears to have 4-5 lifties, and usually a ticket checker. Then you need the mechanic, 1 ski patrol, 2 customer service people, janitor, 2 people to sell snacks/drinks, and idealy a bartender, 2 people selling bbq food on deck.

Thats 15 people minimum. . .

Ok, let’s stipulate that 15 people are required to run the resort in our limited extended season mode.

Say on average we pay these 15 employees $20/hr for 10 hours a day.

15 * $20/hr * 10hr = $3,000 / day

Let’s assume we incur another $3,000/day in additional non-payroll costs to run the lift(s), computers, electric bill, whatnot. This figure does not include fix costs already paid for.

So we have:

Payroll + Other Costs = $3,000/day + $3,000/day = $6,000/day

If we want to stay open for 15 more days (from the April 20th closing date) til May 5th, our costs are:

$6,000/day * 15 days = $90,000

Let’s kick in a $10,000 bonus for the daily photographer:

$90,000 + $10,000 = $100,000 to remain open til May 5.

Further, let’s assume we do not sell any day tickets during these two weeks, i.e. we do not recover any of this cost in goods sold. We are left with a $100,000 bill to stay open til May 5th.

Now I’m certain this analysis is quite simplistic – perhaps someone knowledgeable can provide a more detailed and accurate accounting.

But, I wonder just how many current customers and potential customers would prefer that instead of spending $8.4 million in the off-season, Powdr spend $8.3 million and stay open til May 5th?

Stormchaser · Post by **Stormchaser** » Apr 7th, '08, 09:20

BRILLIANT