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Gunner · Post by **Gunner** » Apr 17th, '08, 13:42

skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: I mean, there was no additional income for opening today, just losses. There was a few day tickets though, not literally "only" passholders, just the vast majority. . .
How do you figure losses? Did they give away season passes this year?
Todays cost to operate exceeds that of todays income.

They only make money today, if they sell enough day tickets today to cover the cost of operating.

Seasons passes wre sold a long long time ago, and the money already gone into operating this season, and Skye Peak Express and so on....

They were going to close April 13. Staying open later didn't bring them more money from a pass they sold you 8 months ago.

There are plenty of midweek days during Nov-Mar where the cost to operate exceeds that of days income. Should Killington not open on those days skippy?

Stormchaser · Post by **Stormchaser** » Apr 17th, '08, 13:45

Gunner wrote:
skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: I mean, there was no additional income for opening today, just losses. There was a few day tickets though, not literally "only" passholders, just the vast majority. . .
How do you figure losses? Did they give away season passes this year?
Todays cost to operate exceeds that of todays income.

They only make money today, if they sell enough day tickets today to cover the cost of operating.

Seasons passes wre sold a long long time ago, and the money already gone into operating this season, and Skye Peak Express and so on....

They were going to close April 13. Staying open later didn't bring them more money from a pass they sold you 8 months ago.
There are plenty of midweek days during Nov-Mar where the cost to operate exceeds that of days income. Should Killington not open on those days skippy?

Especially at full capacity with dozens of lifts and multiple lodges vs 1 or 2 springtime lifts and a bathroom...

johnny the jibber · Post by **johnny the jibber** » Apr 17th, '08, 13:46

im sure they were making some money on tickets and booze especially. the deck was full when i was up there...

sLoPeS · Post by **sLoPeS** » Apr 17th, '08, 13:51

skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: I mean, there was no additional income for opening today, just losses. There was a few day tickets though, not literally "only" passholders, just the vast majority. . .
How do you figure losses? Did they give away season passes this year?
Todays cost to operate exceeds that of todays income.

They only make money today, if they sell enough day tickets today to cover the cost of operating.

Seasons passes wre sold a long long time ago, and the money already gone into operating this season, and Skye Peak Express and so on....

They were going to close April 13. Staying open later didn't bring them more money from a pass they sold you 8 months ago.

dude are thinking about what u are saying? just because season passes were sold "a long time ago" doesnt matter. 79 bones for a day ticket on saturday is nice but 700-1000 on a pass is A LOT OF MONEY. think about the big picture. i may have had my pass paid for by new years but how many "day-trippers" come up and spend that during the season at K? im not talking lodging, im talking on the mountain (tix, food, beer, etc.). maybe they lost some money today, but think how much they made from people over the holidays. you have ur good days and bad days. it really wouldnt "hurt" them to spin superstar for 3 more weekends. it would show that they give a crap about their passholders (which they really dont). at 6 days of a little loss, i bet its pennies compared to what they made already. i heard they made quite a bit of money this season (like 10mil).

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 17th, '08, 22:41

sLoPeS wrote:
skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: I mean, there was no additional income for opening today, just losses. There was a few day tickets though, not literally "only" passholders, just the vast majority. . .
How do you figure losses? Did they give away season passes this year?
Todays cost to operate exceeds that of todays income.

They only make money today, if they sell enough day tickets today to cover the cost of operating.

Seasons passes wre sold a long long time ago, and the money already gone into operating this season, and Skye Peak Express and so on....

They were going to close April 13. Staying open later didn't bring them more money from a pass they sold you 8 months ago.

dude are thinking about what u are saying? just because season passes were sold "a long time ago" doesnt matter. 79 bones for a day ticket on saturday is nice but 700-1000 on a pass is A LOT OF MONEY. think about the big picture. i may have had my pass paid for by new years but how many "day-trippers" come up and spend that during the season at K? im not talking lodging, im talking on the mountain (tix, food, beer, etc.). maybe they lost some money today, but think how much they made from people over the holidays. you have ur good days and bad days. it really wouldnt "hurt" them to spin superstar for 3 more weekends. it would show that they give a crap about their passholders (which they really dont). at 6 days of a little loss, i bet its pennies compared to what they made already. i heard they made quite a bit of money this season (like 10mil).

If you heard like 10 mil, how much do you think is left after $8.4 M in upgrades, million+ in maintenance?

Traffic is way, way down.

I am looking at the big picture. I couldn't type everything I wanted to/shoulda.

I am at less then $10 a day for my skiing this season. . .

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 17th, '08, 22:43

Gunner wrote:
skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: I mean, there was no additional income for opening today, just losses. There was a few day tickets though, not literally "only" passholders, just the vast majority. . .
How do you figure losses? Did they give away season passes this year?
Todays cost to operate exceeds that of todays income.

They only make money today, if they sell enough day tickets today to cover the cost of operating.

Seasons passes wre sold a long long time ago, and the money already gone into operating this season, and Skye Peak Express and so on....

They were going to close April 13. Staying open later didn't bring them more money from a pass they sold you 8 months ago.
There are plenty of midweek days during Nov-Mar where the cost to operate exceeds that of days income. Should Killington not open on those days skippy?

Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...

Coydog · Post by **Coydog** » Apr 18th, '08, 05:20

skiingsnow wrote: Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...

It'll be very busy at Sugarbush next week and I doubt they'll be losing, losing, losing. Guess those folks have more skill at managing a ski business up there. At $29, you should check it out

rogman · Post by **rogman** » Apr 18th, '08, 05:40

skiingsnow wrote: If you heard like 10 mil, how much do you think is left after $8.4 M in upgrades, million+ in maintenance?

No one will ever mistake you for a Wharton grad. I suggest staying away from discussing financial issues.

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 18th, '08, 08:58

Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...
It'll be very busy at Sugarbush next week and I doubt they'll be losing, losing, losing. Guess those folks have more skill at managing a ski business up there. At $29, you should check it out

Who knows, one foggy day, or some r*in could bring an abrubt end to the season.

Coydog · Post by **Coydog** » Apr 18th, '08, 09:15

skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...
It'll be very busy at Sugarbush next week and I doubt they'll be losing, losing, losing. Guess those folks have more skill at managing a ski business up there. At $29, you should check it out
Who knows, one foggy day, or some r*in could bring an abrubt end to the season.

Excellent point. It might r*in someday, so there's no reason to ski Sugarbush/Jay/Sugarloaf now. Thanks for setting me straight - what was I thinking?

ozzy · Post by **ozzy** » Apr 18th, '08, 09:18

Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...
It'll be very busy at Sugarbush next week and I doubt they'll be losing, losing, losing. Guess those folks have more skill at managing a ski business up there. At $29, you should check it out

and leave the bubble of killington's powdr? Skip doesn't roll like that

is sugarbush opens may 3-4 i plan on skiing six more days after this shitshow shuts down

b-5 · Post by **b-5** » Apr 18th, '08, 09:26

MORE COW BELL Skiingsnow you are such a silly-silly-silly-Boy!

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 18th, '08, 13:03

Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote:
Coydog wrote:
skiingsnow wrote: Seasons over. Bad days from Nov- Mar due to weather conditions, mountain offerings, its not that way from one point, on. Theres not going to be another busy day this season to make any money. Keep staying open, losing, losing, losing, ...
It'll be very busy at Sugarbush next week and I doubt they'll be losing, losing, losing. Guess those folks have more skill at managing a ski business up there. At $29, you should check it out
Who knows, one foggy day, or some r*in could bring an abrubt end to the season.
Excellent point. It might r*in someday, so there's no reason to ski Sugarbush/Jay/Sugarloaf now. Thanks for setting me straight - what was I thinking?

I was just mentioning a point ol' Win made around a week.5 ago, regarding Sugarbushs closing. He said they could not commit yet, because hes seen what one foggy or r*ining day has done to snowpack. They were reporting over 6' of snow still on their trails, extra snowmaking done on several runs for the spring, and a well above average snowfall this season, but they weren't sure if they could possibly some way, some how try and stay open to the 27th of April.

Tin Woodsman · Post by **Tin Woodsman** » Apr 18th, '08, 15:17

skiingsnow wrote:
I was just mentioning a point ol' Win made around a week.5 ago, regarding Sugarbushs closing. He said they could not commit yet, because hes seen what one foggy or r*ining day has done to snowpack. They were reporting over 6' of snow still on their trails, extra snowmaking done on several runs for the spring, and a well above average snowfall this season, but they weren't sure if they could possibly some way, some how try and stay open to the 27th of April.

Actually, you weren't, skippy, b/c Win was referring to Castlerock, not the mountain as a whole. They've already announced they're staying open through the 27th, and possibly longer on weekends dependings on snowpack and business volumes.

skiingsnow · Post by **skiingsnow** » Apr 18th, '08, 22:54

Tin Woodsman wrote:
skiingsnow wrote:
I was just mentioning a point ol' Win made around a week.5 ago, regarding Sugarbushs closing. He said they could not commit yet, because hes seen what one foggy or r*ining day has done to snowpack. They were reporting over 6' of snow still on their trails, extra snowmaking done on several runs for the spring, and a well above average snowfall this season, but they weren't sure if they could possibly some way, some how try and stay open to the 27th of April.
Actually, you weren't, skippy, b/c Win was referring to Castlerock, not the mountain as a whole. They've already announced they're staying open through the 27th, and possibly longer on weekends dependings on snowpack and business volumes.

WRONG.

This was when Sugarbush announced that if some way, some how, they could possibly have enough cover to try and stay open till April 27, with over 6 feet of snow on the ground, and extra snowmaking for the spring, and well above average snowfall, that they may try and do it, weather permitting.

"I am probably older than you and thus have seen more weather, and I know what a spring sun and warm r*in and fog can do very quickly, so I am not going to promise a sure thing when I can not control what Mother Nature does. That said, the odds favor being open on Sunday, April 27th."

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