Finally getting this bump thing.

[twilkas]

Actually.. regarding the hands. Some people do use the hands more and do more with them than just a flick of the wrist. Meaning, if they absorb with huge lateral absorption (knees don't go up/down, but they sort of go diagonally upwards and to the side), then they counter with their hand in order to keep their balance by bringing their non-planting hand across their body. You can see that on the links below, specifically the Mikko link (he was the world champ a few years ago). You can then see how different that is than the style being talked about here, which is just 'flicking the wrist' on the Travis Mayer videos.

http://www.mogullogic.com/lessons.html

Back to shin pressure, since it's so important. What are some tricks, or tips and techniques you folks have used to help you with it. I also happen to have a severe case of 'back-seat-itis'.

Mack, i'm on dial up tonight so couldnt get that vid... i'll get it a few days from now, thx for posting.... what you wrote sounds like what I was referring to, it is a counter move ..after skiing today and thinking more about it.

Heard a lvelII PSIA candidate say something a few weeks back at Pico that stuck with me:
every move in skiing is a projection into the future.....
doesnt quite answer your shin pressure ? but that's all I've got for you tonight... lol...

[Pedro]

Their called "Pivit-Turns"
that lead 2 short quick edege sets.....

Pivit=slip
edege sets=grip

I kind of equate it to trying to stand on my tips and throw my tails out as far as i can while keeping my torso facing downhil - side to side to side to side...

You guys are thinking way to advanced, this is a very slow drill at first, also very boring, good for someone who is a train wreck in the bumps, which i was before doing it, if you can rip a line, you dont need this drill.

The key though is sticking with it no matter how lame it feels.

[twilkas]

twilkas...Also need to work on absorbing. This will help you take a more direct route rather than turning around the bumps. going after 3 bumps at a time, straight on, and just absorbing them.

thx mang, i can't check that vid for a couple of days, but i will check it.

I'm working around lower back issues (L5 partial removal years ago) and concsciously try to minimize impact and jarring in the bumps.. limits me in my approach the bumps methinks...I want to try the straighter approach, but i'm just afraid of the physical carnage, not to mention the resulting gut busting yard sale laugh fests that would surely follow.

I'll focus in on absorbing better and quieting my arm movements, appreciate your taking a look and giving your input.
kill it at BMMC! I'll be there rooting for you..

[massivslinky]

Wen't out again this weekend and had more fun on the same run. Spent almost 7 hours so my legs are pretty much torched.

On the top part something cool happened. I ended up ditching the pole plants because I just started turning too damn fast. I tried to plant once while bouncing from bump to bump and it nearly pulled my shoulder back and tossed me. There was one section where I'm guessing each turn was comeing at nearly 1/2 a second apart. Didn't know my knees could jig that fast.

I was watching the videos, and during this part, I was skiing in a very upright position. My only problem is that the moguls were oddly spaced and after this nice area they got further apart, then tightened and then respaced. On the lower part the ruts became very deep and sometimes you would get bumps that weren't round, but cut nearly 90 degree. The run got steeper at this point too. Of course I ahd to slow down, and this killed the whole thing. Also, the quads there very dead at this section. I need to get that skiers edge and condition. I'll probably take some mogul lessons or a clinic next year now that I'm starting to get into it.

My first few runs were crap, and I looked like an intermediate trying bumps for the first time. I then got mad becuase I did it last week. That did the trick. Must have looked funny seeing a guy bitching at himself to stay forward while skiing alone.

[twilkas]

post the vids massivslinky, i'd like to see them...

3 days in a row for me, 2 at K, today at Pico. just keeps getting better.
I can't wait for the true spring skiing and the super soft bumps... I think I'll be able to take some different lines without pounding the hell out of my back, ie hitting the tops..

Pedro, if you're reading... I *may* have seen you.. Friday, under the Needles chair... liight tan or grey top and bottom? whoever it was was rockin it like noboby's bizness, i gave a yell in general appreciation, it was after lunch. Was it you?

[panelman01]

K is offering a Mogul Camp on the above mentioned dates. Price is
very reasonable.... Whats the K-Zone consensus on this camp?

[Pedro]

post the vids massivslinky, i'd like to see them...

3 days in a row for me, 2 at K, today at Pico. just keeps getting better.
I can't wait for the true spring skiing and the super soft bumps... I think I'll be able to take some different lines without pounding the hell out of my back, ie hitting the tops..

Pedro, if you're reading... I *may* have seen you.. Friday, under the Needles chair... liight tan or grey top and bottom? whoever it was was rockin it like noboby's bizness, i gave a yell in general appreciation, it was after lunch. Was it you?

Well, i have a blue and gray top with tan pants, i think someone yelled at me after boosting off of a rock and slaming though some bumps at the top of the chair but im not sure what time it was since i didn't take a break that day.

[Mack]

Who is teaching the camp?

I ask, because a few years ago I took a bump camp which was taught by Killington Ski School, and it wasn't what I was looking for. Meaning, they were teaching more like 'all mountain skiing' and how to get through the bumps, and not how to ski the bumps zipper-line style. There was nothing about absorption/extension and the such.. it was more of how to turn around them. Then again, that was a few years ago.

[SkiDork]

Who is teaching the camp?

I ask, because a few years ago I took a bump camp which was taught by Killington Ski School, and it wasn't what I was looking for. Meaning, they were teaching more like 'all mountain skiing' and how to get through the bumps, and not how to ski the bumps zipper-line style. There was nothing about absorption/extension and the such.. it was more of how to turn around them. Then again, that was a few years ago.

Thats pretty much what my mogul weekend taught by K was like.

Thats prolly the PSIA bump teaching method. I think you have to do it elsewhere (or keep practicing what you hear) OR maybe take a private with John Lamb or someone like that.

My $0.02

[SkiDork]

Who is teaching the camp?

I ask, because a few years ago I took a bump camp which was taught by Killington Ski School, and it wasn't what I was looking for. Meaning, they were teaching more like 'all mountain skiing' and how to get through the bumps, and not how to ski the bumps zipper-line style. There was nothing about absorption/extension and the such.. it was more of how to turn around them. Then again, that was a few years ago.

Thats pretty much what my mogul weekend taught by K was like.

Thats prolly the PSIA bump teaching method. I think you have to do it elsewhere (or keep practicing what you hear) OR maybe take a private with John Lamb or someone like that.

My $0.02

Or maybe see if you can get Matt Gnozza to give you a private... He's the head of the K freestyle team

[massivslinky]

Sorry, I don't have any videos since I was skiing alone. I usually go solo since the wife hates cold. I take the kids about twice a year (2 oldest that is).

When it comes time to bump train, I'll probably look to book a private and make it clear I want to work on bumps. I've been scoping the instructors and know one that looks like he's got his Sh*t together. I also mooch info off hotshots when I can catch a lift ride up. That's how I learned about the pre-absorption thing Skidork was talking about. Works very well. I also tend to stay more loose when I bounce a little (like on a trampoline) before going into the first bump.

My last two rounds were in spring conditions. Soft is nice, but yesterday was pretty much it for Whitetail. Bare spots and rocks galore. The bump run was the only thing worth doing. Ironically its was the safest run (for the equipment at least). It was very empty too compared to last weekend so I had plenty of room to work on it. Near the bottom, though the stuff turned to slush real fast. I kept getting stuff on top of my skis and it was so heavy it helped me cross tips once and wipeout. Felt like lead weights on the front of the skis. The top was much more packed down so this wasn't a problem. The bumps also grew near the bottom and some of those troughs were man eaters. Couldn't see the line as far to boot. I had a sk removed one in a while in this section.

My coolest wipeout of the day was when I had my uphill ski removed by a trough, but made about 3 more turns with one ski, and using the boot for balance. Did a lazy wipeout on the side because I was getting too far from my other ski. I'm nowhere near great (this being the second weekend of getting out of defensive mode and actually attacking them).

Can't wait to continue next year.

[Pedro]

Who is teaching the camp?

I ask, because a few years ago I took a bump camp which was taught by Killington Ski School, and it wasn't what I was looking for. Meaning, they were teaching more like 'all mountain skiing' and how to get through the bumps, and not how to ski the bumps zipper-line style. There was nothing about absorption/extension and the such.. it was more of how to turn around them. Then again, that was a few years ago.

They usually have 3 or 4 different ability groups.

[SkiDork]

Sorry, I don't have any videos since I was skiing alone. I usually go solo since the wife hates cold. I take the kids about twice a year (2 oldest that is).

When it comes time to bump train, I'll probably look to book a private and make it clear I want to work on bumps. I've been scoping the instructors and know one that looks like he's got his Sh*t together. I also mooch info off hotshots when I can catch a lift ride up. That's how I learned about the pre-absorption thing Skidork was talking about. Works very well. I also tend to stay more loose when I bounce a little (like on a trampoline) before going into the first bump.

My last two rounds were in spring conditions. Soft is nice, but yesterday was pretty much it for Whitetail. Bare spots and rocks galore. The bump run was the only thing worth doing. Ironically its was the safest run (for the equipment at least). It was very empty too compared to last weekend so I had plenty of room to work on it. Near the bottom, though the stuff turned to slush real fast. I kept getting stuff on top of my skis and it was so heavy it helped me cross tips once and wipeout. Felt like lead weights on the front of the skis. The top was much more packed down so this wasn't a problem. The bumps also grew near the bottom and some of those troughs were man eaters. Couldn't see the line as far to boot. I had a sk removed one in a while in this section.

My coolest wipeout of the day was when I had my uphill ski removed by a trough, but made about 3 more turns with one ski, and using the boot for balance. Did a lazy wipeout on the side because I was getting too far from my other ski. I'm nowhere near great (this being the second weekend of getting out of defensive mode and actually attacking them).

Can't wait to continue next year.

Next year? There's the best bump skiing of the year coming up for the next 2 months.

[twilkas]

Pedro, that was you.
Awesome display, I saw you from off that rock...
Maxeemum reespect, Mon!
Damn, we have some talent on this board, no shite...

[twilkas]

Massivslinky, I read your post like you had vids of you hitting the bumps. It's very helpful for anal-ysis, maybe even worth a bump clinic if that's the only way you can see yourself..I'm glad I got to do it, gives me new stuff to work on... do it! just from reading your stuff here I think you'll get a lot out of it..