12/13 Complain about out of control ski/riders thread

[MrFistHer]

There seem's to be a lot of accident's happening due to out of control rider's so far this year.

[hillbangin]

Happens Every Year -

Narrow trails - and ice - and a lot of morons

A New England ritual....not unique to our hill

[Barnibus]

Basically there is nothing that can be done by any resort owner/management to stop this situation and it is an inevitable thing.It is not like the resort can have each skier/rider take a skills assessment and limit them to terrain suitable for their skills. The problem comes when people disregard the responsibility code and are unaware of their surroundings as well as their own skill level. Just because great northern is a green trail on the map doesn't mean it can't ski like a black pending traffic and conditions. I blame these people on their own stupidity and it is unfortunate the rest of us within our limits have to suffer. I also blame parents who take their kids out snowplowing around while people all around fly by at mach 1. However much the urge that these parents have to get on the snow, is no excuse to put your child's life at danger. I consider myself and expert rider and still get nervous when the slopes get as crowded as they have been, I know the risks going out on the slopes during thee peak periods and I just try and being more aware of my surroundings and make sure my helmet is strapped on because lot of skiers/riders have no concept of the responsibility code nor their own ability level. I also have to thank these same idiots that I despise for spending their money and keeping the mountain in business, so I take all of these out of control people with a grain of salt.

ALSO:Did anyone ski chute on Saturday? I cut over to it from the triple and had no idea on the condition of it till I was fully committed. On saturday I would have rated it as a triple black and was really shocked to see it open.Sunday it skied like an entirely different trail. Regardless I had a blast on the icy luge, but I am sure it turned out to be a nightmare for some and wondering what others think about this type of situation? Should mountains be able to change the difficulty level of trails pending conditions or leave it as is and potentially put people in an injury prone situation? I am guessing this falls under the responsibility code and knowing your own limits but who knows.....

[Phantom]

ALSO:Did anyone ski chute on Saturday?

Not me. Saw that from the quad. Bit of coral reef going on there and mmy knees don't need that.

Freeze up from Friday coupled with lots of first day of season green/blue sliders made for quite the horror show on Snowdon.

[Big Bob]

Chute skied fine yesterday. A Nor Incher dropped some more freshes, probably helped. We hit it twice, kinda narrow if you wanted to save your P Tex!

[madhatter]

best way to avoid being hit is to NOT stop where you can be hit. It's really quite simple...

[Bubba]

best way to avoid being hit is to NOT stop where you can be hit. It's really quite simple...

Keep moving in the base lodge as well.

[klondick]

Basically there is nothing that can be done by any resort owner/management to stop this situation and it is an inevitable thing.It is not like the resort can have each skier/rider take a skills assessment and limit them to terrain suitable for their skills. The problem comes when people disregard the responsibility code and are unaware of their surroundings as well as their own skill level. Just because great northern is a green trail on the map doesn't mean it can't ski like a black pending traffic and conditions. I blame these people on their own stupidity and it is unfortunate the rest of us within our limits have to suffer. I also blame parents who take their kids out snowplowing around while people all around fly by at mach 1. However much the urge that these parents have to get on the snow, is no excuse to put your child's life at danger. I consider myself and expert rider and still get nervous when the slopes get as crowded as they have been, I know the risks going out on the slopes during thee peak periods and I just try and being more aware of my surroundings and make sure my helmet is strapped on because lot of skiers/riders have no concept of the responsibility code nor their own ability level. I also have to thank these same idiots that I despise for spending their money and keeping the mountain in business, so I take all of these out of control people with a grain of salt.

ALSO:Did anyone ski chute on Saturday? I cut over to it from the triple and had no idea on the condition of it till I was fully committed. On saturday I would have rated it as a triple black and was really shocked to see it open.Sunday it skied like an entirely different trail. Regardless I had a blast on the icy luge, but I am sure it turned out to be a nightmare for some and wondering what others think about this type of situation? Should mountains be able to change the difficulty level of trails pending conditions or leave it as is and potentially put people in an injury prone situation? I am guessing this falls under the responsibility code and knowing your own limits but who knows.....

I think changing the trail ratings is overkill. There are plenty of white boards to make special announcements (if really needed). The green, blue, black are a just a relative average rating of the trails FOR THAT MOUNTAIN. People seems to compare ratings from one mountain to another and talk like the ratings were normalized for an equal comparison... Well they are not. Take it for what it is... a guideline.

As for crowded trails... A high number skiers/riders on limited terrain = close high speed human interaction... happens every year. It is only logical. We do not need more policing... Be aware and give yourself the best chance. And please keep your GS turns off the narrow sections... Nobody likes that.

[Mister Moose]

The problem comes when people disregard the responsibility code and are unaware of their surroundings as well as their own skill level. Just because great northern is a green trail on the map doesn't mean it can't ski like a black pending traffic and conditions. I blame these people on their own stupidity and it is unfortunate the rest of us within our limits have to suffer. I also blame parents who take their kids out snowplowing around while people all around fly by at mach 1. However much the urge that these parents have to get on the snow, is no excuse to put your child's life at danger.

Sunday I saw a parent taking a 10 year old down Mouse Trap, and the 10 year old was only able to turn left, and left turned right into the woods by the snow guns. The parent was down hill, directing, standing in the middle of the high traffic lane. The child was having a lot of trouble, and everyone at least was able to avoid the two.

I'm sure the parent was 'enjoying' the more challenging terrain, and from his view the child was "being pushed to learn", but really, did he have no clue on the increased risk he was subjecting them both to?

I'm not interested in cops on every corner, but maybe there could be an increased effort to educate the public on the day's conditions, high traffic advisories, where to stop on the trail, how fast is too fast, and how slow is too slow, ie what "No beginner terrain" means.

[madhatter]

The problem comes when people disregard the responsibility code and are unaware of their surroundings as well as their own skill level. Just because great northern is a green trail on the map doesn't mean it can't ski like a black pending traffic and conditions. I blame these people on their own stupidity and it is unfortunate the rest of us within our limits have to suffer. I also blame parents who take their kids out snowplowing around while people all around fly by at mach 1. However much the urge that these parents have to get on the snow, is no excuse to put your child's life at danger.

Sunday I saw a parent taking a 10 year old down Mouse Trap, and the 10 year old was only able to turn left, and left turned right into the woods by the snow guns. The parent was down hill, directing, standing in the middle of the high traffic lane. The child was having a lot of trouble, and everyone at least was able to avoid the two.

I'm sure the parent was 'enjoying' the more challenging terrain, and from his view the child was "being pushed to learn", but really, did he have no clue on the increased risk he was subjecting them both to?

I'm not interested in cops on every corner, but maybe there could be an increased effort to educate the public on the day's conditions, high traffic advisories, where to stop on the trail, how fast is too fast, and how slow is too slow, ie what "No beginner terrain" means.

if we just allow Darwinism to occur unfettered, these issues wold not exist...

[skiadikt]

As for crowded trails... A high number skiers/riders on limited terrain = close high speed human interaction... happens every year. It is only logical. We do not need more policing... Be aware and give yourself the best chance. And please keep your GS turns off the narrow sections... Nobody likes that.

decided many years ago that it just wasn't worth skiing t-giving so we avoid the whole mess. as season pass holders with a long season ahead no reason to risk injury on "amateur" weekend.

[Atomic1]

How about the person "AKA IDIOT" who had the little kid on the red reins going side to side down Great Northern . I watched the pile-up from the chair as that idiot and the gapers in combination with the ice made for a classic T-day event ! If you want to break out the reins mid-week then OK, BUT on the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend ! Really ?

[snowguy59]

LOL

[hillbangin]

How about the person "AKA IDIOT" who had the little kid on the red reins going side to side down Great Northern . I watched the pile-up from the chair as that idiot and the gapers in combination with the ice made for a classic T-day event ! If you want to break out the reins mid-week then OK, BUT on the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend ! Really ?

There were a few of those the weekend before as well.

It's almost child abuse - because eventually there is going to be a bad accident.

That's why Killington scares alot of families away - when you take the Gondi - there really is no EASY way all the way down - you run into a ton of narrow choke points that are always icy.

When my older beginner friends come with their kids - I tell them to stay on Ramshead and Bloodshed - not in that terrain park - and they have a wonderful time - they think they are at Bretton Woods with great happy hours.

When you take them to the top - they never come back - scares the crap out of them.

Wait till they put a HSQ on Snowdon - and put the restaurant on top.....

It will have the same effect as when they replaced the old slow Skye Peak chair with the new Quad - way too many people at the crossovers - and the trails get destroyed by 930 with ice and ruts and square snowboard bumps.

[skiadikt]

LOL

was that andy z ...