Six Peaks Killington

[Heywood jablowmee]

Oy.....here she goes again....FWIW?.. you might wanna have a lookie at the current sales trends in KTown...home stock going over asking...and beyond. This is taking a toll along all income lines.....NO single family homes... presently...under half a mil. Econ 101 comes into play ( whether you like it or NOT)...staffing issues will directly be effected. ......on a GOOD note?.. this gives you ample fodder for your daily diatribes....

[GMCrra]

Killington is too big and diverse to stay a day trip mountain, the village will increase visitation from the type of customers that want the village experience and improve the image and draw as a destination resort. It improves the total visitor yield to the resort, yes. Some deed restricted apartment buildings for employees would be helpful or necessary too.

Check out how little lodging is available for holidays in Okemo or Stowe near lifts right now. Killington has plenty available yet, it fills up later as those resorts max out even though Killington does more total visits. Though I am seeing some Okemo guests migrate back to K or for the first time since the Epic zoo. The real estate market in K has closed the gap on other premium VT resorts.

Yes there will be changes that some of us won't like, but most resorts the size of K or bigger have a base village. There will be still parking near lifts at Bear, Skyeship, K1.

[daytripper]

Killington is too big and diverse to stay a day trip mountain, the village will increase visitation from the type of customers that want the village experience and improve the image and draw as a destination resort. It improves the total visitor yield to the resort, yes. Some deed restricted apartment buildings for employees would be helpful or necessary too.

Check out how little lodging is available for holidays in Okemo or Stowe near lifts right now. Killington has plenty available yet, it fills up later as those resorts max out even though Killington does more total visits. Though I am seeing some Okemo guests migrate back to K or for the first time since the Epic zoo. The real estate market in K has closed the gap on other premium VT resorts.

Yes there will be changes that some of us won't like, but most resorts the size of K or bigger have a base village. There will be still parking near lifts at Bear, Skyeship, K1.

Killington has a lot of lodging by lifts? I feel the opposite, there isn't nearly enough ski out lodging at K, one of the biggest issues the mountain has, the village will definitely help with that. Outside of Killington grand what ski out lodging is open by Xmas? Sunrise gets open maybe 50% of Xmas weeks and the ski out on great eastern maybe 25%.

[GMCrra]

I was including all the lodging (shuttle etc) in that statement. Killington has a relative shortage of desirable ski in/out (that is located near other amenities like restaurants, childcare, ski school etc), but my point was that there isnt much rental inventory available at Okemo or Stowe for key dates already, whereas there still is in Killington (Epic effect?). Which says people book those mountains earlier, probably due to the amenities and access vs Killington, or they have a lot more owner use on holidays so fewer units available for rent. It's evidence that Killington could perform better with modern day accommodations for ski destinations, rather than being stuck in 1970s or 80s vision.

Great eastern usually gets open before Sunrise the last few years - would love to see an earlier commitment to Bear! Only mountain green and trail creek are really within walking distance.

[newpylong1]

Killington is the not the only mountain to struggle getting their ski in/out access open by Christmas though. They just happen to have an exponentially larger amount of acreage to cover to get it open, with an undersized and inefficient snowmaking system. Double whammy.

[hillbangin]

I was including all the lodging (shuttle etc) in that statement. Killington has a relative shortage of desirable ski in/out (that is located near other amenities like restaurants, childcare, ski school etc), but my point was that there isnt much rental inventory available at Okemo or Stowe for key dates already, whereas there still is in Killington (Epic effect?). Which says people book those mountains earlier, probably due to the amenities and access vs Killington, or they have a lot more owner use on holidays so fewer units available for rent. It's evidence that Killington could perform better with modern day accommodations for ski destinations, rather than being stuck in 1970s or 80s vision.

Great eastern usually gets open before Sunrise the last few years - would love to see an earlier commitment to Bear! Only mountain green and trail creek are really within walking distance.

Stowe and Okemo have 'cute downtowns'...

Killington does not.

The 'village' won't help that.

With a little planning they actually could have built a village.

It's going to look like a crappy strip mall in some awful suburb.

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[Heywood jablowmee]

MANY years ago?...ASC...SKI....would market packages....and they sold well for families. Powdrs entrance?...did a FULL 180 on this . having a beer one afternoon w/ C Nyberg...he made quite a remark...." from 8 to 4?...youre OUR concern. From 4pm ON?.. your someones elses". This comment gas stuck in my head .....being neither positive or negative. Im pretty confident this is still the vantage point for Powdr.....

[iriponsnow]

Oh yes. Everyone loves remote parking. So easy for locals to head up to the mountain for a few quick runs on their lunch hour.

I hate the idea and have spoken against it several times at hearings. Unfortunately that train left the station years ago.

Oh yes. Everyone loves remote parking. So easy for locals to head up to the mountain for a few quick runs on their lunch hour.

So here's an item I struggle with - I was recruited to the area as a professional. I see how hard it to recruit to this area. Either ya ski or ya leave, its that simple. Many of us rearrange winter schedules to take laps and also contribute to the area teaching / coaching / volunteering in various fields.

Then K launches a proposal like this when the access road can barley accommodate traffic now, ya cant eat on the mtn b/c there's no capacity, ya don't bother to spin the lifts midweek at Pico at all, & everyone can see that there's no place for any service level staffing to call home.

Ppl already don't take the bus from Rutland to K to work - where are these resort workers to arrive from?

Yet lets build 1500 residences and remote multilevel parking garages.

that's false. a lot of k workers take the bus, either from rutland, from mendon, or from the bottom of the access rd. mostly J1 workers but not entirely, some locals too.

that being said there NEEDS to be affordable housing for ALL incomes. this stupid idea of "it's a resort town so you don't deserve to live here because youre not rich and successful like me" needs to f*** die. these rich f*** seem oblivious to the concept that their servant class needs somewhere to live... or they will be without servants. and its not just the low income servant class getting f*** over, the middle is getting f*** too. there's posts almost daily on the killington locals FB page desperately looking for housing by area professionals... teachers, nurses, etc.

also, removing ski on/ski off parking will kill what makes killington special: it's parking lot scene is better than every other mountain ive been to, because of its convenience. that kind of organic community building can't be replaced.

Re - Bus, I’ve never seen a partially full bus in Rutland. Best case - 2 ppl on it by the time it rolls into Rutland.

Housing- Yup ; 100%

As for the parking scene / access, this is exactly my point! If there is a crazy village that requires me to park in a garage & shuttle bus (bc we know K is too cheap to build a Tremblant style open gondola), what the heck is the point? Heck, pre Covid, I could take a long lunch & roll up for 2 hours of skiing & life was grand.

K is never going to be a destination resort- it’s a early season, late, brown bag, Bay 1 gem!!!! But let’s alienate the core market & pretend to be a glamping Mecca.

[snoloco]

All this talk about losing the parking lot scene, yet you'll still have 3 base areas that are unchanged. Killington should absolutely be a destination resort. It's the largest in the east. Plenty to keep people occupied for multiple days. They need more on-mountain lodging.

[newpylong1]

I was including all the lodging (shuttle etc) in that statement. Killington has a relative shortage of desirable ski in/out (that is located near other amenities like restaurants, childcare, ski school etc), but my point was that there isnt much rental inventory available at Okemo or Stowe for key dates already, whereas there still is in Killington (Epic effect?). Which says people book those mountains earlier, probably due to the amenities and access vs Killington, or they have a lot more owner use on holidays so fewer units available for rent. It's evidence that Killington could perform better with modern day accommodations for ski destinations, rather than being stuck in 1970s or 80s vision.

Great eastern usually gets open before Sunrise the last few years - would love to see an earlier commitment to Bear! Only mountain green and trail creek are really within walking distance.

Stowe and Okemo have 'cute downtowns'...

Killington does not.

The 'village' won't help that.

With a little planning they actually could have built a village.

It's going to look like a crappy strip mall in some awful suburb.

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It will look nothing like that, I can guarantee that.

[hillbangin]

I was including all the lodging (shuttle etc) in that statement. Killington has a relative shortage of desirable ski in/out (that is located near other amenities like restaurants, childcare, ski school etc), but my point was that there isnt much rental inventory available at Okemo or Stowe for key dates already, whereas there still is in Killington (Epic effect?). Which says people book those mountains earlier, probably due to the amenities and access vs Killington, or they have a lot more owner use on holidays so fewer units available for rent. It's evidence that Killington could perform better with modern day accommodations for ski destinations, rather than being stuck in 1970s or 80s vision.

Great eastern usually gets open before Sunrise the last few years - would love to see an earlier commitment to Bear! Only mountain green and trail creek are really within walking distance.

Stowe and Okemo have 'cute downtowns'...

Killington does not.

The 'village' won't help that.

With a little planning they actually could have built a village.

It's going to look like a crappy strip mall in some awful suburb.

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It will look nothing like that, I can guarantee that.

You've seen the renditions ?

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[GlenPLake]

The Pico interconnection is going to provide some nice addition skiing. Probably a few easier blue groomers that the resort is somewhat lacking in. But it should also hopefully provide a nice amount of moderate pitch glade skiing. These, accompanied by a few new lifts, and all the associated fan fare, should give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

[Mister Moose]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

[hillbangin]

... give the resort a nice kickstart, and get it back to being considered the flagship resort of the east as it once was.

What is the current flagship resort of the East?

Stowe - and that will never change.

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[jimmywilson69]

lots of good points being tossed around. Is Stowe really the flagship of the east? Have their visits been anywhere near Killington in the past?

Killington is already a destination resort. Plenty of people, including myself, travel there to ski for multiple days. Its not just a locals mountain or a day trip resort. There is lots of lodging, it just doesn't happen to be slopeside. Personally that's okay as you can drive and park slopeside in several different base locations. There is also a fairly robust shuttle network for some of the offsite locations and I would assume that would need to not only be maintained but increased with the village build out since you lose Snowshed and at least part of Ramshead with the build out of the Village.

I personally don't need a village at Killington and I'm guessing the cost to stay in said village will be out of my range unless the influx of units drives the prices down (unlikely). I definitely don't need a village to consider Killington the flagship resort of the east. It literally has something for everyone.

I also wonder how many more people a village attracts? Clearly Killington is not anywhere near where it was historically with visits, so in theory it can handle more people. However, boots on the ground indicate that it has been busier across more days during the week now through the weekend.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out...